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From the DOCGB Members only site:

Ducati Parts Interchangeability List - Ducati Owners Club (GB) Last revised: 13 April 2004.

For the academic interest of Ducati owners, the Ducati Owners Club (GB) provide below some information on a number of non-standard parts which have been suggested in good faith as alternatives to genuine Ducati spares, some of which may be rare or obsolete.

Air Filters Electrics
Bearing & Seals Fuel System
Brake & Wheels Key Blanks
Cables Mirrors
Carburettors Oil Filters
Clutch Paint
Ducati E-Mailing Lists Sprag Clutch
Ducati Frequently Asked Questions Suspension
Ducati Links US Safety Recall Site

Introduction and disclaimer, please read carefully: For the academic interest of other Ducati enthusiasts, there are listed below a number of non-standard parts which have been suggested as alternatives to the genuine Ducati parts which can be scarce or expensive. Some information is only hearsay. The important point to note is that the suggestions have not been approved by anyone, certainly not the Ducati Factory who would presumably prohibit such fitment. If anyone decides to use non-standard components on their own bike it must of course be entirely at their own risk in view of the lack of guarantees or assurances. If in doubt, seek the guidance of a qualified motorcycle engineer regarding the changes you are considering. The mentioning of any suppliers or manufacturers on this site should not be interpreted as an endorsement. The compilers, publishers and contributors to the list only make available this information on the strict understanding that the readers fully understand and accept the above terms. Any prices quoted are £-Sterling, approximate and may be out of date.

Contributors to the list should also understand that the information is for the public domain, with no copyright and for the free benefit and interest of any Ducati enthusiast. Feel free to add a link to these details on your own web page making sure that acknowledgement is given to Ducati Owners Club (GB). Many thanks to all those people who have contributed. Additions and corrections should be sent to: Spaggy@docgb.org


Air Filters: The air filter for the 1992-98 900ss/851/888 is the same as fitted to a Porsche 924. Dimensions are: 211 x 211 x 57. Purflex A515 (K & N equivalent: 33-2003, Mann-Hummel filter part number P12210), costs £5.75 and is common fitment on numerous cars:

Brakes & Wheels: recent model 900 SS bikes have the same size front brake disc rotors (320mm) as the Yamaha XJ1200, FZR1000 Exup and Genesis, YZF1000, FZR 750 Genesis, SZR 660 and TZR 250 but check that the Yamaha carriers have the same offset as the Ducati carriers. Spiegler floating brake discs 300mm, are the same for: Yamaha TRX 850 , 4KN , 4UN, TDM 850 , 3VD , 4CM, FZR 600 , 3RH , 3HE, FZR 600 R , 4JH / MH / MM, Ducati 907ie Paso, ZDM906PI2, 900SS Bj. 88-90, ZDM906SC, Moto Guzzi 1000 Daytona Type KL.

Brembo front brake handlebar assembly - Yamaha FJ1200/FZR1000, Kawasaki ZX7-6 (Nissin remote reservoir, 5/8 inch (15.9mm) part number 43015-1392) , Suzuki GSXR 750/1100 1990 to 1996, Honda CBR 900.

Grimeca 180 mm double sided front drum brake from the early Benelli 250 2C (or equivalent Moto Guzzi 250, both 250cc two-stroke twins) is apparently the same as the later Ducati singles. The lugs on the fork where the torque arms engage appear to be identical to those on the early Ducati forks (the one with metal gaiters of the MK3 and the one with rubber gaiters of the SCR). Since the bolts that hold the fender are very small (6 mm) the torque arms embrace the aluminium lug behind the bolt and are kept in place by the fender's lugs.

For brake leverage ratios visit: http://www.vintagebrake.com/

Paso speedo drive hub: same as Aprilia RS125.

Cables: Venhill Engineering: sales@venhill.co.uk

Carburettors: parts for Mikuni 38 mm constant pressure carburettors mounted on current Ducati models such as the Monster or Supersport are also available at Yamaha dealers because the TDM 850 uses the same. Rubber inlet "pipes" for the carb to manifold junction on the 750F1 or 36 mm Paso Dellorto carb conversions. Ski-Doo/Bombadier Snowmobile part # 570-134600 is a near perfect match, the important internal "rubber washer" that mates the carb and manifold is spot on.

Clutch friction plates - Suzuki GSF400?

Clutch hub bearing: 6201 32 x 12 x 10 (OD, ID, thick). Get a 2RS/1C3. It's a standard electric motor bearing, sealed on both sides.

Clutch slave piston seal: "Quad Ring" part number Q4210-560ND I believe that they need to be made of ethylene propylene (EP).
There is also a Honda part that will fit, part number: 06431-MA3-405. Sorry, I have no information as to which model it is from, it is a square-section seal.

Clutch thrust bearings: If you have a dry clutch with a 28.5 mm diameter piston fitted with a ball race for the thrust bearing, you will probably find that SKF bearing 630/8-2RS1 will fit, sizes are:
Outside diameter: 22 mm
Inside diameter: 8 mm
Width: 11 mm

Electrics: Late bevel fuse box - 'Durite' with spade fuses for direct replacement, part number: 0234 24 cost: £6.

Bevel Drive 900 models (Darmah, Darmah SS, SS) with Nippon-Denso handle bar switch gear are the same as on similar year GS series Suzukis.

Darmah battery - (same dimensions as fitted to Reliant Robin) Varta 53030 12v 30 AH 180A - Sears Die-hard Gold, garden tractor battery, 96135, Group U1, 325 CCA. Yuasa have a useful battery selection web site. Front brake light switch (for current models) cost from Ducati: £24. From Radio Spares Components (part number: R.S.320 506) they are £4 for fully waterproofed version with built-in leads. Switch without leads are £1.10 (part number: R.S.159 4584) RS Components. Also Cherry part number: DC1B-D3AA Technical Helpline: 01536 402888.

Darmah head light: a little cheaper as BMW H4 headlight glass/seal/rim.

Front brake light switch (hydraulic) for older models can be replaced by a brake light switch from Volkswagen (Beetle for example), Audi etc. The only difference is the threads which are conical which means that the washer is not needed.

Handlebar switches on the current SS models - Honda XBR500. Right-hand handlebar switches for 748/916 - Honda Fireblade

Hailwood replica (Mille) starter motor - Suzuki GS400-425-450 or 500 models.

Monster headlamp glass: BMW R100S, part no. 63121358147. Bosch part numbers for Monster headlight glass & reflector (not available separately from Ducati) are 1305604904 (Glass) and 1305304903 (Reflector) They are not cheap (about £45 and £60 respectively) but less than a complete unit.

Monster starter relay: Hella 4RA 003 510-131.

Oil pressure switch for some early belt-drive models - Ducati #69921511A $27.23
This is version 5 of the original, same as 907 Paso

Bosch # 0344101041 $15.34

Borg Warner # S4071 $11.99

Borg Warner #S4155 $5.99

Now for the confusing data: Most places that sell Bosch parts will have no idea what that 10 digit # is for, they want a 5 digit code; if you find these people, walk away. They won't be able to help. What you're looking for is an industrial supplier, like United Auto Supply, or a Diesel Repair shop. Syracuse Diesel, 315 463 8573, can get them.

The Bosch part was discontinued in July 2002, but they have plenty in stock. The part was superceded by 0986344041, but even though that is the current part, it is unavailable! So for now, order the 0344101041.

Both of the Borg Warner parts were sourced at Auto Zone. I called my local store, and ordered a S4071, it came as a Wells PS378, and was labelled for a 1992 Acura Integra.

The final Borg Warner, ordered as a S4155, came as a Niehoff OP25511.

Both of the Borg Warner parts have a very low threshhold pressure; i.e. if the oil pump fails, the light takes over a minute to come on with cold oil! So in my opinion, the Bosch part is the best replacement, its' specs are close to the original.

(Thanks go to Michael DeLage for the above Oild Pressure Switch info)

Pantah light lenses: the front flashers built in the fairing are the same as mounted in old Fiat 850's front bumper. Tail light for Pantah 500 and 600 models are the same as mounted on former Puch 50cc mopeds.

Paso clock can be replaced by fitting the printed circuit board from a Fiat Mirafiori Veglia clock?

Paso headlamp: Yamaha FZ750 of 1985/6 - Koyoto part number 110-31420 (UK market, not dual light version).

Machine Ducati Part Number Headlamp Make
750 Paso 037032600 CEV (non UK)
750 Paso 037032610 CEV (UK)
906 Paso 037032600 CEV (non UK)
906 Paso 037032610 CEV (UK)
907 i.e. 037032600 CEV
907 i.e. 037032210 Koyoto

Paso ignition switch - Gilera 125 SP01

Paso 750 and 906 Marelli ignition coils appear similar to first model of Fiat Uno.

Paso starter solenoid (standard fitment) = Hitachi 12V MS 5A-181.

Paso Digiplex ignition unit appears similar to that fitted to Lancia Thema 16V, Fiat Croma 1600 & Moto Guzzi Nevada 750.

Regulator/rectifier - Honda CB250/400N Superdream, CM450 or CX500 (Shindengen part number: SH 232 127 - for many non-fuel injected Ducatis). Alternatives are manufactured by Electrex, Stoke Row, Reading, Oxfordshire, England. telephone :- ++44-1491-682369; fax. :- ++44-1491-682286 part number for the 748/916 Ducati: RR 51 £ 75 &: Newtronic Systems Ltd. Unit 3, Challenge Way, Blackburn Lancashire BB1 5QB. Phone: 01254 680187 - Fax: 01254 682550 - sales@newtronic.co.uk . Another supplier is: Silent Hektik in Germany.

Starter solenoid and flasher relay for two-valve twins - Rover/British Leyland Mini/1100

888 engine speed and position sensors - Fiat Tipo SEN 8D

907 i.e. throttle position sensor (potentiometer), type PF09, is also used in Alfa Romeo's 33 i.e.

The coils on the Kokusan electrics on the Montjuich, Laguna Seca and Santamonica is the same as on the Suzuki 400 GSX E.

Fuel filters: BMW K100RS part number: 13 32 1 461 265 (8mm) or 16142325859, Purolator F20011, AC GF61, Fram G2, Motorcraft FG-2, Wix 33032, CarQuest E2036 (mid-80's Ford Ranger. Fram part number G2). For the 916: Mahle KL 24/1, approximately about 10/15 mm longer than the stock item, it has a 50mm diameter.

The 1994 750SS has a FIAAM FT 4648 fuel filter fitted as standard, here are some equivalents;

A.L. ALG-6/8 Lautrette ELE1990
Chamption L101 Purolator F57608
FIAAM FT 4648 Ryco/G.U.D MF-1
Fram G 12-1 Tecnocar B 7
GIF ES 77 UFI 31.001.00

Fuel pumps: Ducati 888 item made for Ducati by Walbro (their part number 5CA305-3 (or 5CA305-2 for the white box). Available from V.E. Peterson in Ohio. 906 Paso: Facet FSE574A. See also: http://www.fuelsystem.co.uk For the 907ie: Bosch part number: 0 580 463 999.

916 handle bar plugs are much more expensive (but identical to) 600 Monster equivalents.

Ducati key blanks - Moto Guzzi (Zadi), Vespa or Kawasaki also worth trying Fiat key blank number FT-37 (was: F79-1). Yugo: (Ilco # YU2 X167 for boot/trunk), S2 key blanks; steering - Silca ZD11P, ignition - Silca AF5D, seat lock - Silca NE31. For the Darmah: Taylor blank # F69H or F69F. For the 750 Paso: JMA F161 (ignition) & Silca CE7 (seat). For the 906 Paso: Ilco FT46 X152 (ignition) and Ilco 9978 (seat).For the 907i.e. a blank from a 'Hinckley' Triump has worked OK.

Mirror assemblies for the current SS models are available (in black) from in the UK from branches of Halfords and Les Smith for £13. Honda CBR600 are also a close fit. For the M900/M600 available from MPS: 'Busch and Muller' cost: £10 part number BM926/37, similar appearance and better visibility. "Baby Turbo" made by Vitaloni are another alternative. Apparently, Emgo mirrors for some Kawasaki ZX models will fit. For the Paso and 907, mirror assemblies from the Cagiva Frecchia are very similar, and although not identical, should fit with a bit of modifying, and are much cheaper.

Current model oil cooler hoses: Goodridge cost: £44 via MPS in England.

Oil filters for belt-drive engines: (same as fitted to Citroen 2CV & Peugeot 205 & 309 - UFI part number (23.105.00) corresponds with;)


AC Delco FX0011 (was X4A) Motorcraft EFL 47
Champion H101 NAPA: 1352 (1352NAPA and 551352 on the box)
Cooper Z64 Powertrain FL125
Fiaam FT4654, FT 4847 or PA7059 Purflux LS187
Fram PH6074 (was PH2839, PH2864A) Purolator ML16829C (was FC 103 or OC 5)
Halfords HOF216 Tecafilter Ref OC5
K & N KN-153 Technocar R12, R72, R434
Knecht OC 5 (equivalent to Ducati #065149960 and #090549960) TJ FB2094
Mann & H W712/9, W712/11 Unipart GFE 201

Before using any of the above there is an Oil Filter Study that is worth reading. N.B.: Early 650 Cagivas with Ducati engines sometimes do not accept the 2CV car filter, the threads differ. In this instance you will probably find that the following 3/4" UNF thread) will fit;
TJ filters : FB5311 and Fram : PH4482. The Fram filter is slightly longer and means you have to leave off the sump guard (Elefant), or make spacers.

Oil filters for bevel-twins: made by Meiwa for Kawasaki KLR250 & Z250 (Kawasaki part no. 16099-004 = Champion X310 and Fram CH6070) FBN OL1.01403.

Paint (touch-in): early belt-drive SS models - Ford Radiant red or Hycote Nissan red 526. Also, check the Ducati Frequently Asked Question. For colour code numbers check Color Rite. 748 yellow: Colorite 7560U. On the official Ducati website the colour is listed as PPG 473.201 (found under FAQ section. PPG is the US based manufacturer of the original paint), very close to Fiat 268 (Giallo Bus). From Lechler in Italy: red 906 Paso (1989): Rosso 65205 http://www.lechler.it

Bevel-twins sprag clutch: Rover car part number is 22A716 and the outside diameter of the cage that holds the segments together needs to be turned down to 65.5mm. There is a dealer in England who can carry out this work: Alf's, 100 Dominion Road, Worthing, West Sussex BN14 8JP England. Phone: 01903 200948 - Fax: 01903 210547 Email: alfsmc@mistral.co.uk

The starter clutch (sprag bearing) for the 900supersport/ Paso, pinta engine is available as a KTM part, LC4 freewheel bearing, Part No. 58440026000. it fits straight in without modification, and cost less than half the price of the Ducati equivalent. (Brett from Australia)
Suspension: Fork seals for Showa GD011 equipped bikes are standard 41mm ID x 54mm OD x 11mm seals as found on Suzuki RGV250 (1991 onwards) and Honda NX650. The rear suspension unit for the 750F1 shares its dimensions with the 748/916 unit.

Up-side down fork bushes (inner fork leg diameter is 41 mm)The bushing that goes on to the inner fork leg (slide bushing?) = Suzuki part number 51121-28C00 (Suzuki GSXR1100 '90-). The one that sits in the outer fork tube (guide bushing?) = Suzuki part no. 51152-08D00 (Suzuki GSXR750 '92-'93).

Valve Collets (half-rings): http://www.mbpducati.com/

Well nuts: 1/4 S Metric USM #347103 Well Nut 6mm (.015-.111 grp) http://www.klsales.com
T telephone: (414) 521-3003. Their web site has a chart of all sizes available.


Recently had my starter relay seize solid on me: ignition on, press starter button – starter continues to turn until you disconnect the battery! Sourced a replacement at the local Yamaha dealer:
Starter Relay Assembly (Virago) PN: 4KD819400000. This part has a spade connector block on a short cable. Rewire the existing round pin block, with the existing diode bridge, and you are done. Starts better than it did from new. £21.74 + VAT. (sourced from Keith Badham)
News from the USA: You can use a NAPA fuel filter # 3032 that works for all 851/888/916 series at $3.50. This small filter (5/16 inlet and 5/16 outlet) will do the job nicely and I've been using them for years after Bruce Myers told me about them instead of the expensive Ducati filter. And here is a useful link for wix filters, which UK motor factors stock. Ask your local helpful motor factors, or they possibly could cross ref., to either the NAPA or WIX part No.(not Halfords as they tend to be expensive too).

http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/ ... Field.y=14

NAPA fuel filter # 3032 equivalent Wix No. 33032.



http://www.injectioncorrection.co.uk
We are an ECU remanufacturer and are capable of remanufacturing these units rather than owners having to buy new ones. We are now able to repair the ECU on Ducati Motor cycles.

please contact
Martin Willis
Commercial Manager
Blue Streak Europe Ltd

Mobile +44 (0) 7974 936613
Direct + 44 (0) 115 9834711
E-mail: mwillis@bluestreak.co.uk


For replacement of the electric startermotor for bevelhead mille a good alternative is the nippon denso motor in use for the suzuki ES 500.
The motor is a little longer so needs a small modification and the use of the original aft end. The motor is more powerfull so it will result in better starting condition.
Desmo greetings, Roland.


I'm just rebuilding a 900ss Darmah motor for a friend of mine and all the UK bevel specialists wanted to sell me pistons at £200 each,I thought this was an eye-wateringly outrageous price for what is by todays standards a small not particularly special piston.
So I went hunting and found that the US piston maker Wiseco still listed a 1mm oversize piston in their catalogue.Norman Hyde of Triumph fame supplied them and they worked out at just over half price-result.
Regards, Martin Reed (7141)

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'88 750 Paso * '87 750F1
'04 Multi 1080s * '88 650 Indy
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