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Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:53 am
by lane1feathers
Might it be something as simple as the vacuum hoses from the inlet manifold to the Digiplex?

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:12 am
by paso750
I've swapped CDI boxes front to rear
indicates he has the Kokusan ignition like probably 90% of all P750s ;)
(also that would affect both cylinders)

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:01 pm
by lane1feathers
Ten points for enthusiasm?

......I know, I know.....back of the classroom.... :truck:

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:39 am
by higgy
Ten points for enthusiasm?
:thumbup: :thumbup: :beer: :beer:




Any progress Moto :?:

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:53 pm
by moto319
Hi,
No,Ive hit the wall. All of the components check out,voltages are equal front and rear cylinder, resistance values of the coils and triggers match.Ive replaced triggers. Ive tested and checked wiring and even jumped around the wiring harness to no avail. I tried a new coil today and it did not help. Charging system is working normally and there are no issues in the stator or wiring in that system. Ive cleaned connectors in the system as well. Ive tried 3 CDI Boxes and got a stronger spark but it still drops out above idle. Ive inspected the flywheel for any signs of damage that might interrupt a good signal from the triggers and no damage was found. I replaced the battery along the way and added grounds.......Nothing. <sigh>

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:26 am
by ducapaso
Did you try to switch colis (vertical to orizontal)?
Did tou try to switch kokusan boxes?
This will allow you to find where the problem is and it will take you just some minute.

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:37 am
by paso750
Nicola, did you read this topic ?

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:15 am
by lane1feathers
paso750 wrote:Nicola, did you read this topic ?
Probably about as much as I did...lol

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:31 pm
by higgy
Maybe its time to check the crankshaft runout ?
Wooddruff keys ?
valve timing and clearances, burnt valve ? Worn guides ?
broken piston ring..........


fuel contamination of the oil ?

Seems like you have covered the electrical issues

Just seems odd that replacing the pickup got you spark but only at idle


so if you have some spark and the fuel is OK time to check mechanical possibilities :banghead: :wacko:

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:13 pm
by Ccwpaso
To get us all back on the same page, when you say the spark drops above idle. Is this by using a timing light? And you said you bypassed the bike wiring harness. Did you only do that for voltage for the coil and CDI. What about the wire from the trigger to the CDI and on to the coil?

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:37 pm
by paso750
I was also wondering, does the spark only get weaker or is it completely gone and what resistance did your pick-ups measure?

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:07 am
by moto319
Hi,
The Pick-up coils measure 99 and 99.4 ohms. the lost spark is observed by an inductive timing light and verified by a spark plug. Ive checked the flywheel and the crank there is no issues found with them. It is truely bizarre.

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:09 am
by moto319
Hi,
When i bypassed the wiring harness, it was on Voltage, Ground and CDI to coil triger wires.

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:27 am
by ducapaso
moto319 wrote: (The coils i have been using all pass resistance tests)...
...At this point i procured a pair of known good coils and tried them, no change...
Ok you switched Kokusan boxes... Sometimes coils can run fine at low rpm but go wrong at heavier charges.
Try to switch coil wirings (low voltage and high tension too). Switching all components from Orizontal to Vertical will let you understand which is the wrong one.

Re: 1988 750 Paso Loosing Spark

Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:16 pm
by paso750
I`m still with the pick-ups as nothing else explains the symptoms.
Meanwhile I would put my money on cable break somewhere where the wires of the pick-ups pass the engine cover (which is not uncommon). If a wire is broken either completely but still having contact or only holding together by a few strands you will still measure a correct pick-up resistance. A low voltage spark will still go through to the CDI unit letting it create a ground signal to the coil but at higher rpm the CDI unit could become "blind" due to an indistinct signal. (I have never heard of cold soldering joints at the pick-ups so I`m excluding that)

G.