Strange question....

ducapiero · Post by **ducapiero** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:34 pm

Hi guys,in these period i'm tryng to solve our tyre wear problem,initially i thinked to change only the rim to 17 on the rear,now i'm thinking to change the entire back of the bike with a 999 swingarm and wheel ,or monster swingarm and wheels,
have you any suggstions??
do you know someone who did this??
thanks
Piero

Post by **paso750** » Wed May 02, 2007 7:12 pm

I`ve seen a Supersport engine once with a 916 swingarm adapted to that. So it`s possible, you`ll probably need some spacers to fit it.
The set was offered on ebay though and my guess is it was sold because of the problem fitting the shock.
I also don`t know if the 916 swingarm has the same length as the one of the Paso.

ducapiero · Post by **ducapiero** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:30 pm

Thanks for the answer,but probably i can't buy that too money and too mounting problem

howewer what i have to do to mount a 907 swingarm??
the suspension is the same??
any suggestion is very much appreciated
lamps
Piero

persempre907 · Post by **persempre907** » Fri May 04, 2007 4:02 pm

Piero,
you can switch the bike to 17" wheels without any change of the swingarm.
See in the Bauke's website! You can find it in the "Links" in the left bar of this site.
No matter, the rear shock are different.
Ciao

Finnpaso · Post by **Finnpaso** » Fri May 04, 2007 8:12 pm

I think, somebody must make very soon "17 inch conversion discussion" section to these Paso sites.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Propably MOST used topic already.... :laugh: ...and still those 16" Michelins are available.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Seems, that everybody start to be "scared" already... more 17" conversions => less 16" Michelin users => not so much pressure to Michelin company => they stop to make 16" tires.... thinking only now.... :laugh:

Post by **paso750** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:26 pm

mounting a 907ie swingarm is no problem.
I didn`t do that but you`ll probably need some spacers for the wheel ans some work to align the chain. At last maybe you will also need a slightely longer chain, but I really don`t know.

G.

ducapiero · Post by **ducapiero** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:21 pm

Thanks but what you mean when you talk about spacers??

ducapaso · Post by **ducapaso** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:41 pm

Col termine "distanziali", si riferisce a rondelle di varie dimensioni e spessore fatte su misura al tornio poste secondo necessità sul perno ruota, sotto la flangia del disco freno o frizione

This means "washer" in various measure or thickness machined and put in the main pin, under the brake plate or the sprocket, as you need to have the wheel in the right position

ducapaso · Post by **ducapaso** » Sat May 05, 2007 4:06 pm

A proposito, credo di aver visto su ebay il forcellone che volevi installare, ma credo che sia davvero un lavoro difficile: dovresti modificare gli attacchi sia sul motore che sul telaio, poi il leveraggio del mono è rovesciato, la corona è posta diversamente e non parliamo del freno posteriore!!!
A quel punto, meglio un lavorone per installare un motore 851 a iniezione e raffreddato ad acqua!

By the way, I think I've seen the 999 fork you were to install, but I think it's a very hard work: You should modify the puttings on the engine and on the frame, the mono lever is upside down, the sprocket works in a different way and the rear bracke too!
So, maybe it should be as harder as putting a water cooled fuel iniection 851 engine from the same ebay shop!

persempre907 · Post by **persempre907** » Sat May 05, 2007 4:30 pm

Non ricordo dove, ma avevo visto da qualche parte un tentativo (incompiuto) di montare il forcellone monobraccio sul telaio del Paso. Telaio tagliato, un casino, non si poteva guardare!!!

Beh, il quattrovalvole è tutta un'altra cosa... Ce ne sono un paio in vendita su eBay. Certo non è una passeggiata, però avendo già montato il radiatore sei già (quasi) a metà dell'opera...

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I can't remember where I saw an attempt (unfinished) to fix the 916 rear fork on the Paso's frame. The frame was cut, a shame, I don't believed it!!!

The quattrovalvole engine is another thing... On eBay I saw a pair of.
Will not easy, but since you already fitted the radiator on the bike, you done (quite) half work...

Ciao

ducapiero · Post by **ducapiero** » Sun May 06, 2007 12:13 pm

raggazzi so cosa dite ma sto comiciando a risentire di queste ruote di legno....davanti passerò alla130/70 ma dietro....bhè non mi rimane molta scelta che passare alla 17 più moderna
il meccanico mi ha sconsigliato di mettere solo il cerchio sul mio forcellone,ed io vorrei montare quantomeno un 170/60 dietro..
datemi voi un consiglio

Guys
i know what you saybut these old tyres began to make me angry :rant: :rant:
for the front i passed to more modern 130/70 but for the rear i have no choice...
my meck says to me that is not safe to mount the 17 wheels on my swingarm cause too strict clearance and i want to mount a 170 /60
give me suggestions...

persempre907 · Post by **persempre907** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:23 pm

Beh, certo guidare con le gomme vecchie e indurite non è certo una bella cosa! Ma non hai nemmeno provato a chiedere per le Michelin A/M 59?
Antti non ha tutti i torti: se tutti passano ai cerchi da 17", alla Michelin non gli verrà più voglia di produrre queste vecchie misure.
In ogni caso, fermo restando le 130/70 davanti, molti hanno provato con soddisfazione a montare le 150/80 dietro.
Perchè il meccanico ti ha sconsigliato di mettere il 17" sul vecchio forcellone? Anche se dovresti "accontentarti" del canale da 4,5 e al max di un 170/60.
Io non so quanto ti convenga sostituire tutto il retrotreno della moto. E' veramente costoso!
Forse andrei per gradi.
Primo, proverei a cercare le Michelin. Poi proverei a montare il cerchio da 17", infine se proprio non ti trovi bene sostituirei tutto.
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For sure, isn't a good thing ride the bike with old and hard tyres. Why don't try ask for the Michelin A/M 59?
Antti is not wrong: if everybody switch to the 17" tyres, Michelin will do no more that old tyres.
No matter, you can fit the 130/70 front tyre, but many people also were satisfied by the 150/80 rear tyre.
Why your mechanic advised not put the 17" wheel on the stock swingarm? Even if you would fit "at least" of the 4,5 wheel and of 170/60 tyre.
I don't know how much is better change al the rear side of the bike. It's really expensive! Perhaps it's better to go step by step.
First, try searching the A/M 59, then try fitting the 17" wheel. Finally, if you will not be satisfied, try change all the rear side.

Ciao

Finnpaso · Post by **Finnpaso** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:55 pm

Very shortly now: Only some "possibilities":

Buy(and be "satisfied") those 16" Michelins. OR,

Make 17" conversion, but If do so, then surely must also add 17" wheel to FRONT AND SURELY UPPGRADE 750/906 very bad front brakes to 4 piston Brembos with braided lines!!!! That is "safety thing" and difference is HUGE!!!

I mean, that if change ONLY rear wheel to 17", then geometry of bike change too much and its not so good idea... If changed to 17", then BOTH wheels same time..... and front BRAKE upgrade!

I think, easiest way to 750/906 owners is to fit 907 swingarm to bike, but surely with 17" front wheel also...

ducapiero · Post by **ducapiero** » Wed May 09, 2007 8:17 pm

Yes you are right
but i think it' not a bad thing to have a small rim on the front...also moto gpm ahve diffent rims an also cbr of some years ago mounted a 16 on front and 17 on the rear.....

persempre907 · Post by **persempre907** » Wed May 09, 2007 8:59 pm

For sure you can try, but I also think the better thing is fitting a couple of 17" wheels.
No matter, if you'll try let us know how the bike works.
Ciao