Lowering and softening the rear

Duc750 · Post by **Duc750** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:34 pm

Ok in response to a PM I'll describe in a bit more detail what I was suggesting with the water spray, I'll do it on the forum so other people can have their input/tell me I talk rubbish etc etc.

What we used to do is very similar to what some Intercooled performance cars do - basically just a water spray onto the rad (The Lancer EVO road cars use a spray on the intercooler that is alledgedly worth 10hp+!)

For the Landrover adaption all we used was the two Headlight washer jets mounted pointing at the radiator and plumbed into another wash bottle (way bigger than we needed but it fitted ok) the pump was then rigged in the same way as normal so that water was pumped from the reservoir to the jets and a mist/spray was then put out to the face of the radiator.

This doesn't do a huge amount to cool the temperature down but in the abscence of any airflow or very little (slow speed running) it does enough to stop overheating. (this was typically a V8 somthing or other on the start line).
I've also used this on my Road Range Rover for when towing heavy trailers.

The trick is finding some washer jet assemblies that will be about right - the best thing is that these are normally very cheap from car breakers.
Also the question is where to mount the reservoir on the Paso (Pumps are very small normally and can be hidden easily).
Perhaps upin the head light fairing or under the side fairings?

One thing I did think about whilst on the train home tonight was whether you could use a flexible bladder from a "Camelback" that would give about a litre and a half and also stow easily enough.

Whoever tries it I would say the best bet is to tape your nozzles on first to judge its effectiveness before doing any fairing surgery to fit them permanently.
don't forget when wiring stuff like this that an Inline fuse is a must have.

delagem · Post by **delagem** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:46 am

4 things:

I didn't say the tires weren't available, he did. I said I wouldn't sell a great bike just because tires weren't available.

The tires won't be available soon. Michelin has stated that 2006 is the end of the production run for the A59/M59. This is the 2nd time that I know of that they stopped production on them, the first being back in 1993 I think. This was a factor in why I sold my first Paso...

210 is not high for oil temp. In fact, it's low. You want your oil to be over 212 anyways, because as you first start your engine, a lot of water builds up in the crankcase. This water will only boil off after the oil gets over 212F. If you don't get your oil over 212F for a sustained period, you'll wind up with a cloudy, milky coating over the sight glass in the side of the motor.

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Post by **jcslocum** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:29 pm

I don't want to start an oil Jihad! but 20-50 is fine. You should not have to stop and shut the bike down at these temps. First of all I really doubt the accuracy of the temp gauge or anything electric on a Paso. See if you can borrow a laser temp gauge to determine the accuracy.

But really, don't worry about it. The monster 750 has no temp gauge and a really tiny oil cooler. Yes it has no bodywork but that's not a big deal with the Paso. The body is wide open.

I did 5 minutes of research using Google (am I the only one that does this?) and found this report regarding oils and the Norton Motorcycle. I DID NOT do this research nor endorse it. From his tests YOU could assume that your 210-220 is just warming the oil up a bit.

Read This: Oil Report

Try lane splitting?!?

Vickon wrote:Hi Jon, I'm using semi-synthetic 20-50w Belray for the first time. I have always used MOTUL semi. Any advise? Regarding the oil temperature, at 210-220 is when I have to stop and shut it down in order for it to cool down! If I don't do this the temperature keeps climbing! Once again thanks for your comments,advise and help with this matter!

Best Regards,

Jose

Vickon · Post by **Vickon** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:22 pm

Thanks Jon, Mike and all of you great friends who are involved with this topic.

Please be reminded that I am enjoying my Paso like you don't have an idea! Maybe I'm too concerned about keeping my Paso away from engine damage or failure. Only because I love it!!! I have enjoyed the bike riding it practically on a daily basis and hard... But lately I have been reading about engine cases destroyed by broken chains, misaligned sprockets and so on... I honestly apologize for my ignorance but I really hate the idea of something like this happening to me and having to part the bike due to the lack of availability of parts like engine cases!!!

When I say that I prefer to stop when temperature reaches 210-220 is because for the second year in a row when at Daytona Bike Week I didn't stop when oil temperature reached the 220 temp. it kept climbing until the engine started sounding a lot different and the clutch was barely useable and it ended up shutting down on it's own. Waited about 2 hours and was able to start the bike and leave the heavy traffic area which was not what I wanted to do at that time. Ever since that event it has never happened again, I believe just because I avoid heavy traffic situations and when there is no other alternative like an accident on 1-95 and heavy stop and go traffic and it starts to reach the 220 I get off the I-95 and try to use alternate routes. Once again thanks to all of you that have input your experiences and knowledge regarding this matter.

I know my gauges are all in good working condition but anyway I will try the laser temp gauge! and will keep you guys posted!!! But please be reminded like Jon said! The idea is not to start an oil Jihad! Is just a concern due to the fact that my bike was unable to continue due to this overheating and I thought it would be good to consult it with you (other Paso owners). My Best Regards to all of you!!!

Post by **jcslocum** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:45 pm

To prevent the busted case get one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/eonmf

I have one on my Paso!

Vickon · Post by **Vickon** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:59 pm

Hey Jon, thanks again!

Will acquire on of these right away!

**If someone can help me post my Paso pictures into the gallery I will certainly appreciate it!!!

Best Regards,

Jose

Post by **Skins** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:31 pm

I believe you need to contact the webmaster to set you up for that.

Check the FAQ, then 'ducatipaso.org site', in the Registered Users Menu on the left of the screen.

Vickon · Post by **Vickon** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:42 pm

Thanks Skins, Jon already tried contacting Mike but he's on vacations so I guess it will take another week or two before I can post my Paso pictures on the gallery. Once again, thanks!

Jose

delagem · Post by **delagem** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:02 am

The Jihad begins:

Only use Motul 5100 15w50, or your motor will die!

Just kidding, but that's what I use, and it's only a little influenced by the fact that they sponsor my racing program...

Wow, good tech article on oil temp, Jon! And I thought I was the only one doing obscure reading; I'll file that right next to my Automotive Engineers Report on Brake Squeal!

Jose, I too love the 851, and always wanted one; but riding a friends', I discovered that it's harsh, not very comfortable (although better than a 748/996), and very heavy steering. The Paso is a better bike for anyone who doesn't want to play Doug Polen.

Vickon · Post by **Vickon** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:34 am

Hey Mike, thanks for the advise! I have never ridden a 851 and one thing I don't like is the heavy steering. I certainly like the looks of it but I guess that it. If it is harsh,steering heavy etc. I am certainly no Doug Polen. I have the chance to buy a 907 for $3300.00 in very very good shape! Red of course! Should I go for it or get a new 675 Triumph sportbike or maybe a GSXR-750? Or wait and gather a little more money and purchase a 749?

Thanks again for your continuous input Mike!

Best Regards,

Jose

Duc750 · Post by **Duc750** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:02 am

The 675 is a very nervous bike and not really all that good for the road.

If you do a lot of track riding then the 675 or any of the new 600's are great bikes but on the road they are very light and nervous.

If you want a big sports bike to do road and track thats not a Duc, go for a TL1000R

V twin ish performance, comfortable enough to do a bit of weekend touring on and fast enought o embarass a few R1's ( I particularly enjoy going round the outside of them on Craner curves at Donnington on mine!

Max · Post by **Max** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:55 pm

Vickon, What carburation set up do you have? When I had my Weber on the bike it was running leaner and that made the temprature higher. Now, with the Dellortos it is running reacher and it is cooler. I think I am running too reach and I don't have the power I use to have. My bike with the Webers had more torque and was burnning rubber easally.

Max

Vickon · Post by **Vickon** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:21 am

Hi Max, my bike is running with a pair of 36 Dellortos' with Mallossi racing intakes.

My bike smokes the rear tire very easily even when already rolling on first if I clutch it and hit the throttle it will smoke the rear tire very nicely but not my thing anymore due to the tire issue. I have plenty of torque and power with my Dellortos.

Best Regards,

Jose

*By the way, just decided to purchase a new bike... a beautiful 1992 Red 907

As soon as Mike (the moderator) creates an empty gallery sub-folder for me, I will post pics of both my Ducatis the 750 and the new 907ie

Rogero · Post by **Rogero** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:07 pm

Good choice Jose - you can post on the 907 forum now!

Although we don't have such detailed discussions as you 750 boys it seems!

Vickon · Post by **Vickon** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:29 pm

Thanks Rogero! I'm glad and happy to be able to own two of a kind motorcycles. I will certainly be posting on the 907 forum as soon as I come back from vacations July 1st. I will then start the complete disassemble of the 907ie skins and tank and everything I can in order to have a CLOSE view of the internals of my new baby!

Talk to you soon!

My Regards,

Jose

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