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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:09 am
by 750pheonix
ducapaso wrote:insted of all this work for dropping a sobstitute, maybe it would take a smaller effort make a wider sarch of an original engine, from a paso or a cagiva elefant: it's been used for longer in such a bike!
(I suppose until 1997 or 1998). Upgrading if to paso performance is not hard as anyone can suppose... the engine is basically the same, you just need weber carburateurs and original exaust pipelines
Yes, i agree this sounds like the best direction to follow. I'm also wondering if a later Elephant would have better quality components also...

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:25 pm
by paso750
the first 750 Elefant engine was the same as the one of the Paso including Kokusan ignition, but with the difference of using lower compression pistons. (9.3:1)
From 94 on the engine was the one of the Supersport, wet clutch.

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:56 pm
by Duc750
A couple of engine have gone recently on Ebay for under £500 they do turn up and any breakers that have them want shot pretty quickly - MCN is showing a few breakers that have broken Paso's so probably worth a shout. Most breakers buy the bikes just for the bodywork and mirrors !

And I can vouch for that fact that airbox phase 2 was looking like quite some piece of work in May :thumbup:

Who has quoted for the Gas flowing and the cams ? local ?Sheppo ?
If cylinders need replating I can maybe assist with that and also if new pistons are required through a few contacts - cams might be harder but at that price why not just send yours to Kent to be reprofiled - a friend had four cams done for a TL1000 for around £300 which is cheaper than any of the after market camshafts I've seen for a 2 valve Duc.
I would think both Tony Brancato and Baines racing are worth a call.
Also if you can put up with the fact he's a total miserable gut half the time trty AJ Racing in Gloucestershire

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:15 am
by 750pheonix
Duc750 wrote:Who has quoted for the Gas flowing and the cams ? local ?Sheppo ?
If cylinders need replating I can maybe assist with that and also if new pistons are required through a few contacts - cams might be harder but at that price why not just send yours to Kent to be reprofiled - a friend had four cams done for a TL1000 for around £300 which is cheaper than any of the after market camshafts I've seen for a 2 valve Duc.
I would think both Tony Brancato and Baines racing are worth a call.
Also if you can put up with the fact he's a total miserable gut half the time trty AJ Racing in Gloucestershire
The work and quotes are from Ducati Technical Services who have the benefit of being specialists in Dukes and other Italian exotica for the last 36 years... his advert said engine renovation which seemed more appropriate than mechanic. The cost of parts he's quoted isn't huge when looking at them individually. it's just the scale of the internal rot that has driven the price skywards rapidly. Basically the quote i got was to take the engine back to better than factory standard... I would be happy with working really :)

I will decide after i next week when i collect the bike in bits if i keep and renovate or break the bike. Pity as i was all for things going smoothly... I have had all the bodywork resprayed ready for fitting.

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:03 am
by 750pheonix
How is the engine from a 750SS different to the paso engine?

I was thinking the mounting points might be way out, but the basic config of the engine seems the same. if anyone knows of any huge problems with compatibility let me know. thanks

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:59 pm
by lceriani
Just for who thinks about M900 transplant, in this picture you can find the parts that need to be "cutted" to fit paso frame...

Image

(hard work, isnt'it?)
:screwy:

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:48 pm
by 750pheonix
si troppo!...

well it was a thought anyway... they look so similar

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:39 pm
by lhoward
what about the option of swaping in a 97 748 motor?

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:32 am
by 750pheonix
lhoward wrote:what about the option of swaping in a 97 748 motor?
the 4 valve per cylinder engines are seriously expensive to maintain... parts are expensive and there are more of them closer together...

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:19 pm
by Duc750
Go on this sounds like a fun "virtual project" what is needed internally ?

Post up a list - I bet we can between us source them for half the price - then just rock up with a big box of bits and say "ere mate build this"
:D