Replacement front sprocket for 907

[mrinflux]

When i wrote that "OLD mail, what U mention", I hadnt seens 2001 Monster front sprocket at all !!!!!!!! I talked that time "old Monsters

Finn,

you crack me up! I'm not trying to fight with you. I merely pointed out that your post of last June was the exact opposite advice you gave mjfrank yesterday. The words speak for themselves. anybody who wants to argue this point just wants to argue for the sake of arguing.

"old Monsters"? yeah right!! give me a break!!

whatever.

As for the whole USA vs Europe thing, just so you know, while I currently live in the USA, i'm European also. Spanish is my native tongue and i've spent much of my life living in Europe. Mostly Spain and Norway. I much prefer Europe to the USA. Anything I post is certainly not motivated by American chauvanism.

But I do know a contradiction when i see/hear one. And no amount of double-talk will ever convince me that black is white. Not even "old" black.

Elton

[mjfrank907]

Yeah I do need a new dealer, but in their defense, it was a parts counter guy that said that, and their Ducati trained tech was out today. He usually gives much better advice.

I do have the money for a 1098, (not a 1098s though) but the practical side of me says that's not the best idea. (Plus, then I'd have to buy the wife something equally expensive.) I am looking for a good used 996 or 998 to add to the stable eventually, since I really don't want to get rid of my 907. I'm the second owner, and have had it since 1996. It only has 9,4xx miles on it, and is in great condition. I fell in love with it when I saw it in the showroom when it was new, and four years later, I was finally able to own the same bike.

The bike does have a slightly ominous history though, I bought it directly from the previous owner, and a week later he was the subject of a news report. He had shot and killed his wife, and then committed suicide. I met him and his wife at least two or three times during the transaction, and never imagined something like that would happen, as they seemed very "normal". I have to suspect that it was the deep depression brought about from selling this bike.

So, I figure as long as I keep it, my family and I are safe. Like I said before, once something breaks that isn't worth repairing or isn't available, I'll build a bar around it, and encase it in glass for a conversation piece. She's been an awesome bike, and I couldn't bear to part her out.

BTW, I hope that it wasn't taken wrong, but the "milk and honey" comment was meant in jest, referring to the biblical reference usually used to describe the US during the days of mass immigration. Not that it matters, but I'm only one generation removed from Europe myself, as my Dad was born in Yugoslavia, and grew up in Austria. I still have relatives living over there.

Good riding!
--Mike

[Finnpaso]

"old Monsters"?

For me, ALL CARBURATED Monsters are "old ones"... And remembering, that 2000 they changed to injection (at least in M900)....

[Finnpaso]

I merely pointed out that your post of last June was the exact opposite advise you gave mjfrank yesterday.

Seems, that we see things totally different.... But i really dont care of it.... ..."opposite".... :funny: :funny: :funny:

[mrinflux]

For me, ALL CARBURATED Monsters are "old ones"... And remembering, that 2000 they changed to injection (at least in M900)....

Finn,

Ok, let me see if I got this straight: When you advised Duc750 last June 2nd, 2006, in the "Chain Allignment" thread that, "Those 900SS/Monster front sprockets DONT FIT TO 907IE, what needs EXACT 907IE front sprocket !!!!", you were talking about 900SS/Monster front sprockets from pre-2001, carburated Monsters, and when you advised mjfrank two days ago in this tread that, "U can use that sprocket safely," you were talking about 900SS/Monster front sprockets from 2001 and newer, fuel injected Monsters!

Not until you so eloquently explained your two contradictory posts did I come to understand the complex mechanical relationship between carburated Monsters, fuel-injected Monsters, the carburated 900SS, and whether or not their respective front sprockets fit on a 907ie!! Thanks for clearing that up for me!

Give it up Finn. Ur talkin' smack.

Elton

[Rogero]

Now I'm really confused and I'm British of Irish / German extraction who has been to the USA on many visits but never to Finland.

Keep smiling friends or were the April 1st postings real?

[Duc750]

Sadly whether its April fool or not the OE front sprocket is not available from Ducati UK, Ducati Italy, Ducati France or "Ducati Switzerland".
AFAM do make a pattern front sporcket which they claim is the same as the OE item so a couple of other manufacturers like DID might too. Two other options are open as far as I can see:

Firstly you can run with 1mm offset if your chain manufacturer says it is acceptable (I'm running a Regina chain and they state that 1.5mm off set per "x" links is acceptable - Can't tell you how many links as I mixed epoxy on the box today so can't read it!)

Basically run it but at your own risk and check the chain specs first!

Secondly what I have been told you can do is use the Ducati substitute part and use another retaining ring with the teeth machined out as spacer which then gives the correct chain line.
The Second tip came from Baines racing in the UK and they have doen it on a couple of bikes so far with some success so might be worth a try

Good luck with it.

[Finnpaso]

Ok, let me see if I got this straight: When you advised Duc750 last June 2nd, 2006, in the "Chain Allignment" thread that, "Those 900SS/Monster front sprockets DONT FIT TO 907IE, what needs EXACT 907IE front sprocket !!!!", you were talking about 900SS/Monster front sprockets from pre-2001, carburated Monsters?

Yes, I was talking about "old Monsters"/carburated... One time from Italy came to me "old Monster front sprocket", z=15 and i was asking 907IE front sprocket and immediatelly i saw, that it CANT fit to 907IE, cause offset was totally different, than in 907, whitch have "+- 0 offset"(chain line in middle of sprocket)....

[Finnpaso]

and when you advised mjfrank two days ago in this tread that, "U can use that sprocket safely," you were talking about 900SS/Monster front sprockets from 2001 and newer, fuel injected Monsters!

Yes! I havent SEEN PERSONALLY 2001 Monster front sprocket in my hand, but i trust his story, that only 1mm difference in offset compared to original 907 sprocket, so IF only 1mm difference, then he can use it "safely"(earlier i told, why!!!)..... AND surely injected bikes CAN have totally different front sprockets, than carburated.... I have heard some stories, that new Monsters have also different locking system in front sprocket(some nut, what needs exact torque to tighten). I havent seen yet any such, but propably those stories are right, not any false...Monsters also have used different rear wheels, i mean wide, so that can also make something to chain line and if so, then surely need different front sprocket offsets.... And i have also got one wrong offset front sprocket from one Fin mc shop to my 907, again with wrong offset, so i returned also that sprocket to shop and after that they say, that i was right and they take away that numbered sprocket from they catalogue. They were sorry, that they sell to me wrong offset sprocket! I got moneys back surely.... :laugh:

I hope, that i dont need to explane anything more to You, cause seems, that we dont understand each others at all....

[mrinflux]

Yes, I was talking about "old Monsters"/carburated... One time from Italy came to me "old Monster front sprocket", z=15 and i was asking 907IE front sprocket and immediatelly i saw, that it CANT fit to 907IE, cause offset was totally different, than in 907, whitch have "+- 0 offset"(chain line in middle of sprocket)....

Finn,

i'm working hard to understand. I just don't have the keen mechanical mind you do.

Let me see if I finally understand. When Ducati switched the Monster induction from carburation to fuel injection they also changed the front sprocket to one that was compatable with the 907ie?

And even though that change happened in 2001, you advised Duc750 in June of 2006, (5 years after compatable front sprockets were on Monsters!), that "Those 900SS/Monster front sprockets DONT FIT TO 907IE," because somehow you knew he was talking about the front sprockets from "old", pre-2001 carburated Monsters?

And when you advised mjfrank in this post a few days ago that one can safely use the front sprocket from 900SS/Monsters on a 907ie you were referring only to the front sprockets from fuel injected Monsters?

And exactly where do 900SS front sprockets fit in?

Keep digging Finn, it's amusing.

Elton

[Finnpaso]

Let me see if I finally understand. When Ducati switched the Monster induction from carburation to fuel injection they also changed the front sprocket to one that was compatable with the 907ie?

I DIDNT say so, but i mean, that such can be surely possible !!! I told, that i havent seen injected Monster front sprockets at all, but On thing, what i know, is, that that "old carburated Monster" front sprocket DIDNT fit to 907 at all, what came to me from Italy. It was labelled to some older Monster(cant remember anymore year/modell) and offset was totally different :toofar: Still, think, that If Your chain line have 1mm(he told, that maybe under1mm...) "offset failure" in front sprocket, You cant have big failures there.... NO MATTER WHATKIND Ducati OEM z/15 sprocket he use !!!!! I think, also You can understand this. As i told earlier topic, they had some chain line problems in early patch 750Pasos, but they changed to use another chain(and maybe sprockets too???), so line problem was solved that way.... Seems, that they dont supply anymore 907 sprockets from factory and now they want to sell those new (injected) Monster sprockets to 907 owners, no matter, there is that 1mm difference in offset. :thumbdown:

Btw, thiskind explanations take too much my power, so i stop this topic discussion now!

[mrinflux]

I havent SEEN PERSONALLY 2001 Monster front sprocket in my hand, ..... AND surely injected bikes CAN have totally different front sprockets, than carburated.

Finn,

Now i finally understand!! You really have no idea whether the 15 T front sprocket on a fuel injected Monsters is any different from the 15 T front sprocket on a carburated Monster. Your advice is based on what you think "can be surely possible," not on what is.

Fascinating!

Elton

[Finnpaso]

Didnt You look his first mail, where he explaned, whatkind "injected Monster sprocket" is (WITH LESS; THAN 1mm OFFSET DIFFERENCE compared to NORMAL 907IE sprocket)????? I trust to his story, whatkind it is!!!! Have YOU some problem with front sprocket, or are You only trying to fight with me???? ....for me seems, that You are only trying to fight, not concentrate to help him. :screwy: I ONLY TRIED TO HELP HIM with his problem !!! Btw, i give You one advice: Stay there in philadelphia.... :laugh:

[Stingray230SX]

when i got my 907 and all the parts were in a couple of boxes,it had a new front sprocket in a plastic package.

i believe it had some listings as to what models it was for and as i dont recall the old sprocket even being in the jumble of parts i put it right on there and it has worked well to this day.....

i will try to see if that old plastic package is still in the box of stuff in my dads garage and can reference the manufacturer and p/n as well......


doug hunt

[mrinflux]

Have YOU some problem with front sprocket???? Btw, i give You one advice: Stay there in philadelphia....

Finn,

What are you talking about? Your 907ie has a chain? Amazing!!! All my 907ies are belt-driven!

Thanks for the travel advice. Unfortunately I've already booked passage back to Europe. I arrive in Helsinki on May 26th. Do you think you could put me up?

Elton