17" conversion - Weldup

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Re: 17" conversion - Weldup

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jcslocum wrote:Just buy and extra set of 16" wheels and have then converted.
I've got two spare sets of wheels. :twisted:
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me too on the 16 no 17 though :thumbup: :mrgreen:
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Wise buy :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
The Oscam wheels are quite weak, as far as I remember.
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persempre907 wrote:The Oscam wheels are quite weak, as far as I remember.
Yes. The aluminum is quite soft and easy to knock out of round or dent if you hit a good sized pot hole.
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question to those of you on 17 inch wheels already
Are you sticking to the 5.5 and 3.75 widths or can you still get the normal fitment 17 inch tires with say a 4.5 on the rear and a 3.5 on the front? Seems there are a lot
of wheels around with the narrower sizes, not so many in 17x5.5 and 17x3.75
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Well I got a standard reply - but it is a reply none the less and so as not to hijack this thread I will restart an alternative thread regarding this, so folk can follow and show any interest in possibly getting hold of a full set of wheels as you can see this company only does rims by the look of it but I will ask about full wheels however their the reply was................

We are factory specializing in the manufacture and export of motorcycle aluminum alloy rim for more than five years,
the product used for high-grade off-road motorcycles and road racing series.our price is very competitive because we are factory,
we are the source.You are welcome to our website http://www.uldrim.com which includes our products and company profiles.

(1)Anodized 7000 series aluminum rim,and processing with T4 and T6 ways;
(2)Currently available for:Honda,Kawasaki,KTM,Husaberg,and Suzuki models etc;
(3)Our user:AJP,KTM,BETA,FABA,Prowheelracing,Central-wheel etc;
(4)Main production specfications:WM series:1.60*21", 2.15*18", 2.15*19", 1.85*18"
MT series:2.50*17", 3.50*17", 4.25*17"

(5)Rim products by through the American DOT authentication and comply with JIS standards;

(6)We can become your OEM factory ,at present,our OEM customers are AJP-Spain,Beta-Italy,YOKO-Thailand etc.
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Feel free to hijack away.......Multiple threads get folks confused. Interesting source,If they can provide what we need in aluminum it will most likely be the cheapest option out there. I have personally dealt with many different Chinese sources, Some are excellent some quit frankly suck the big one, all are eager to find new markets. Very detailed and specific cad drawings and materials list are required when dealing with the chinese.
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higgy wrote: Very detailed and specific cad drawings and materials list are required when dealing with the chinese.
Sorry to sound so cynical but... Even with the best drawings ands pe3cs, they probably wont make it out of the right material or heat treat it in the right way.
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So, if I understand you right, you want to make entire wheels that are 17" but look like the Oscam wheels, to fit the stock brakes and sprocket carriers? Not a simple task. I have launched many products in my time, and dozens in China. If I had 3 months of free time, and a lot of cash for travel, I would tackle this project, but less than that is trouble.

Considering the challenge and the work of the weldups, $500 is worth the price. Now the bigger question, is your beloved Paso worth $1k to run on new rubber? The cheapest option is still the old way of using 4.5 and 3.5 wheels from a Monster/SS and become friends with a local machinist to make all the bits to fit.

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ducinthebay wrote:Now the bigger question, is your beloved Paso worth $1k to run on new rubber?
Sure! So, I bet many people here would love to have the 17" wheels with the Oscam shape :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: .
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I was interested to see where this would / could be taken, the idea was to see if the wheels could be made? I don't know if they can but then nothing surprises me nowadays, I am just testing the water as I did with the mirrors, obviously this isn't the same but just as interesting and I found Ducati themselves helpful in the process. I am also going to the British Motorcycle Show next month and will seek out a couple of wheel builders that actually sowed these seeds of thought with me las year when I discussed this with them.

The way I see it is if there is a demand then there is a market, the reason the bikes seem to have such a poor residual value - is the fact that there is such a big problem getting rubber? I also think this has an effect with the 907's also as they are seen as just another Paso.

I appreciate that again this may alter the original nature and uniqueness of the "product" but lets be honest these bikes need to be ridden.

So would there be interest?
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jcslocum wrote:
higgy wrote: Very detailed and specific cad drawings and materials list are required when dealing with the chinese.
Sorry to sound so cynical but... Even with the best drawings ands pe3cs, they probably wont make it out of the right material or heat treat it in the right way.
You are absolutely correct, it always takes a lot more time and effort to get what you need in China Quality is an ever present issue.
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ducinthebay wrote:Considering the challenge and the work of the weldups, $500 is worth the price. Now the bigger question, is your beloved Paso worth $1k to run on new rubber? The cheapest option is still the old way of using 4.5 and 3.5 wheels from a Monster/SS and become friends with a local machinist to make all the bits to fit.

Cheers,
We should work up the DEFINITIVE spec for using other wheels and the bits. I have a full engineering department that can do the drawings for us and spec the materials. Lets start another threqad on this to get exactly the right info and instructions. That way if it needs to be done, anyone can take the drawings to a local machine shop and get the parts made up.
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Yes, I think that is an excellent idea.
For the front you need the two brake adapters for either 4 pot Brembo brakes, a speedo drive for the new wheel, and machine (if I remember right) 5mm off the inside of the left fork leg.
For the back, I don't have a Paso, so I can't tell you.

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