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Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:55 pm
by streetsurfer
Deka here too. One will also go in my other bike some day.
My first experience with Deka, though it was not an AGM, was a plow battery that gave me eight years of strong service. It was based on that, that I chose the brand for the bike. I found mine at a Yamaha dealer.
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:23 pm
by paso750
I read that gell batteries don't like being overcharged or completly discharged either, so a AGM,absorbed glass mat, is far more robust/strong.
I had a gel battery in my car. Those battries are strong but you`ll need to charge them once in a while as they won`t fully charge during driving. I guess it`s because they require a different charging curve.
The past 2 batteries on the Paso had been from GS (Yuasa), original equipment from Ducati. I think mine were for 748/916 as they were smaller and weaker than the one actually required. I can only say good things about them though. I didn´t treat them well at all. They sometimes were stored for a 3/4 year without any charging and they worked well for 4-5 years.
Experiences seem to be quite different.
G.
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:32 pm
by Finnpaso
Seems, that still same problems with batteries as 20 years ago: If same brand, one of they battery is good and another samekind is crap... I think my battery have something broken inside it, as 2 driving seasons is too short for Yuasa. Anyway no warranty anymore, so have to buy something new next spring.
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:03 pm
by jcslocum
I have teh Deka's. Sorry for not being complete in my answer.
I get them at the local autoparts store. They have them on the shelf. Just call around. The shop I use is a Carquest.
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:26 am
by higgy
Deka Webpage is here
http://www.dekabatteries.com/
Here is a dealer not too far from you however I don't know which lines they handle
The agent for Forsyth county is :
THOMAS FOUSHEE
Phone : 336-373-8822
Email :
infogb@cipbattery.com
CAROLINA INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTS OF NC, INC.
8123 POST ST. C
GREENSBORO, NC 27405
Here is a comparison of Gel to AGM
GEL vs. AGM
AGM (absorbed glass mat) is a special design glass mat designed to wick the battery electrolyte between the battery plates. AGM batteries contain only enough liquid to keep the mat wet with the electrolyte and if the battery is broken no free liquid is available to leak out.
Gel Cell batteries contain a silica type gel that the battery electrolyte is suspended in, this thick paste like material allows electrons to flow between plates but will not leak from the battery if the case is broken.
More often than not AGM Batteries are mistakenly identified as Gel Cell Batteries. Both batteries have similar traits; such as being non spillable, deep cycle, may be mounted in any position, low self discharge, safe for use in limited ventilation areas, and may be transported via Air or Ground safely without special handling.
AGM Batteries outsell Gel Cell by at least a 100 to 1. AGM is preferred when a high burst of amps may be required. In most cases recharge can be accomplished by using a good quality standard battery charger or engine alternator. The life expectancy; measured as cycle life or years remains excellent in most AGM batteries if the batteries are not discharged more than 60% between recharge. There are some AGM batteries we sell that offer excellent 80%+ deep cycle abilities.
Gel Cell Batteries are typically a bit more costly and do not offer the same power capacity as do the same physical size AGM battery. The Gel Cell excels in slow discharge rates and slightly higher ambient operating temperatures. One big issue with Gel Batteries that must be addressing is the CHARGE PROFILE. Gel Cell Batteries must be recharged correctly or the battery will suffer premature failure. The battery charger being used to recharge the battery(s) must be designed or adjustable for Gel Cell Batteries. If you are using an alternator to recharge a true Gel Cell a special regulator must be installed.
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:14 am
by 907pasonut
...AGM is preferred when high burst of amps may be required...
like I suspected... gone is that so familiar initial hesitation to start...
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:39 pm
by 907pasonut
...just to update this post, two days ago I went to start the 907, but the DEKA has finally died
...not bad though, over 6yrs of good service and they don't mind being neglected...hopefully the next will be just as good
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:45 pm
by higgy
The only issue with a Deka is if the bike is going to sit for an extended period you need to disable the clock like a lead acid battery if the voltage drops below 8 volts you have a 50/50 chance to bring it back...o% if it freezes
Lithium gets a big thumbs down on the Paso's you need very tight voltage control so unless you have upgraded your stator and are using a Mosffet regulator don't bother
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:25 am
by 907pasonut
I was actually thinking about a lithium battery for the 851, the advantages are obvious, light, small and powerful...but is it going to last?
http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/De ... k?no=26638
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:35 am
by koko64
Higgy
Tell us more about the Litnium batteries and older Ducati charging systems. My experience of Lithium batteries is that you need to think of them as 13Volt batteries.
I had to remove the electric fuel pump from a bike with the 300Watt alternator in order to adequately charge a lithium battery (Shorai). No issues now.
Any tips?
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:37 pm
by higgy
Recently discovered AntiGravity batteries, looks to be a winner
http://antigravitybatteries.com/
3 year warranty, they even offer a 1 year racing warranty
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:52 pm
by streetsurfer
I think I am going to be putting an Antigravity in my Abarth.
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:53 pm
by higgy
antigravity makes a 600cca motorcycle battery with a 3 year warranty, unheard of, they will even give you a 1 year warranty if you are racing. even if you manage to muck it up all it does is outgas and then you can just throw it in the trash
the smallest battery they make( 6x1x3 @ 14 oz) is capable of spinning a Ducati 1100 motard 9 times and then has enough left to start your truck lets see a 425cca jump box do that
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:50 am
by persempre907
Re: not all BATTERIES are the same !!!
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:29 pm
by higgy
Similar Shorai is more and also has a 3 year warranty
LFX21A6-BS12MSRP: $229.95-Cold Cranking Amps: 315
LFX24A3-BS12MSRP: $249.95-Cold Cranking Amps:360
LFX27A3-BS12MSRP: $275.95-Cold Cranking Amps: 405
LFX36A3-BS12MSRP: $349.95-Cold Cranking Amps: 540
