Anyone got any views on this?......

[higgy]

accident requiring panel repair would make it an automatic right off !

There are replacement panels of superior quality still made aftermarket. And the factory panels are easily fixed...not a complete right-off but something to be considered in any purchase.

[Duc750]

Most UK insurance companies won't use pattern parts for an insurance repair.

[higgy]

Most UK insurance companies won't use pattern parts for an insurance repair.

In the US most insurance companies will do their level best to stick your with cheaper aftermarket repair parts.Only a lawyer can prevent this these days

The airtech panels however are far superior to the standard Ducati parts and not cheap.

[907pasonut]

The airtech panels however are far superior to the standard Ducati parts and not cheap.

...then if you're not in the US you can add another $1000 just for shipping...they probabily deliver them via space shuttle

[dross1]

The airtech panels however are far superior to the standard Ducati parts and not cheap.

...then if you're not in the US you can add another $1000 just for shipping...they probabily deliver them via space shuttle

It is easy enough to get the original panels repaired. Any mediocre paint shop can do it and highly skilled one can have it done in no time! Not to mention the insurance companies in the US will go this route because it'll end up being cheaper in the end.

[Duc750]

But keep in mind this is a UK bike we are talking about.
Insurance value of a 750 a few years ago was probably around £750 even an Airconveyor panel from Ducati UK was about £150 aand a mirror over £200 those two parts alone let alone the dealer labour to repair it would classify the bike as a write off in insurance terms

[Graemer57]

good point, well made

Graeme

[Duc750]

However reading it back it looks as though I typed it in Swahili rather than English so apologies for failing both spelling and general English language class

[higgy]

Any bike older than 5 years is a candidate for an insurance write-off if more damage than falling over in a lot should befall you so......

I can't see such a concern becoming an issue on deciding to purchase a 20 year old bike

If getting a bike that is 20 years isn't stopping you why would a possibility of an insurance write-off detract from the purchase or even be a consideration ? If it is then perhaps you should be looking at a nice scootter and not a Paso.

jm2c,no offense intended

[Graemer57]

no offense taken

but i was reflecting on the impact of an insurance write off for two reasons

1) The price that is being asked for the bike. I neither want to get a total knock down price as am sure that is the easiest way to end up with a heap of junk nor do I want to overpay either. Like I said I had been considering a '77-83 BMW R100RS. I know those bikes inside out, know their foibles and market value. Pasos are new to me and am on a steep learning curve! It does seem that many are being a bit overpriced, based on the feedback I am getting from the forum. From what I am seeing on Ebay this is being reflected by them not selling

2) The ongoing cost of ownership. I have no experience of insuring a bike that had been classed as a write of. I've checked the cost of 'standard' insurance for a Paso and it is very reasonable. whether more is charged for something that 'flags up' on some system somewher I have no idea. I know that i'm making a long term commitment looking at a paso and that it will need TLC to keep it running. Was just being cautious. Would rather spend money on the bike than spend more than I have to with an insurer


And isnt that an oxymoron.... nice and scooter appearing in the same sentence

[Duc750]

Should be no problem as there is effectively no point in insuring fully comp on an older bike - as it will just get written off if you have an accident and you'll have to pay for the priveledge of having it written off through your excess !

[Graemer57]

D'oh. Hadn't even thought of it like that. Am so used to paying fully comp insurance on mt R1200RT that I hadn't considered e sense of third party on an older bike

[higgy]

And isnt that an oxymoron.... nice and scooter appearing in the same sentence


Hey,Who ya callin a MORON

apparently you have not yet seen the E4-01

17 inch wheels and 900cc

[Duc750]

D'oh. Hadn't even thought of it like that. Am so used to paying fully comp insurance on mt R1200RT that I hadn't considered e sense of third party on an older bike

My tip would be to steer clear of multibike policies as well as if you have an accident with one bike you lose no claims discount on both - if you start a second policy you can acrue no claims all over again on that policy in parallel with the other.

Brokers I've always had success with in the past are MCE although my VFR is insured with Bennetts as they are a little better with zero no claims (as I have lost my 9 years due to not having a policy since 2008)

There is someone doing a special Ducati only cover somewhere as well which I found pretty damned good too when quoting for my 907.

The prices on ebay are a little too high for me at the moment although some bikes have gone for around the 3K mark but they have to be exceptional to be worth that.
For me I think all the Paso's are wonderful bikes - really genuinely and there are very few bikes that I can think of that I'd rather own. Certainly there are virtually no new bikes that I would go near at the moment as I just don't like them.
This may be a kick back of course to the fact that we now don't even have control of our headlights in the UK !

Running costs are pretty good I think. The only things that have ever gone wrong on my 750 have been induced by me modifying things and perhaps not tidying up loose ends or "proffesionally muppetry" from people that didn't understand the bike or couldn't be arsed to understand the bike.

The 907 suffered the worst from proffesional muppetry however with a major dealership having serviced it on behalf of the previous owner and breaking the clutch centre (fracturing one of the studs and "JB welding it back together") and throwing away a K&N filter to replace it with a paper one.
You start finding things like that and you know there could be other problems.
Baines racing over in Silverstone reckon that the late eighties early nineties Ducatis benefit from a head off (and maybe barrells off ) service aroudn the 20K miles mark as the crank shaft oil plug can loosen and chew its way through the cases also it gives an oppotunity to clean up the vavles on the lathe and then reassemble the head and do clearances and belts at the same time.
I'm reasonably happy that, thats a once avery 20K or greater occurence and we all know that quality control at the factory was a bit crappy !
I think its fair to say that most of t higher mileage bikes on here have had engines apart at least once but normally only once unless its for tinkering.
I might be wrong on that but its a gut feel I have from the forum

As far as spares go it is getting difficult and most of us on here have a slightly unhealthy ebay addiction but its not impossible. The Ducati spares situation is a little odd but that effects other Ducatis (and try getting spares for a late Laverda), for example you can't buy a ring kit for a 900 2 valve Ducati (or you couldn't a year ago) - If you bought rings they came with a piston attached ! (and a larger price tag)
What you find now is that the "stealerships" aren't interested in the Pasos anymore just the real enthusiast businesses and if you spend a little bit with them now again or make the time to pop in and have a chat they will help you out as they know that if they help another enthusiast out they will get repeat business from them.

Ducati guys I have dealt with and can thoroughly recommend are:
Baines racing - also very good if you're into cycling
WM Snell in Alton - one of the only mainstream dealers in my experience with any pride in what they do
Brancato engineering - What Tony doesn't know about any Ducati isn't worth knowing
Other people will have other recommendations - there are some good guys in Wales and in the North West too and another on the South Coast as well

Sorry for the long post - hope its helpful