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Finnpaso wrote:Very good Skins It would be nice, if i make some mistakes and You correct it then. I am not upset from such and i take it as "learning better basic english". Its good, that someone, like You, read posts just with that "eye" and teach us to write better english

I agree with Antti.
I would appreciate very much if someone would correct my mistakes.
It would be a great occasion to learn normal conversational English.

Thanks Skins.
As in Spain, in Italy "provare" means "to try".
When the English teachers teach us, they say they are "false friends": words which seem similar but have a different sense.

Ciao

Of course, Antti. Very far. In fact, I believe your mother tongue is almost unrelated to other languages!

However, after all these years, I still think your English is wonderful. And your meaning is always crystal-clear.

21783mike wrote:

randtcastell wrote:"
Hope you got a chance to get a close look at my set up without any of this BS..... Very inexpensive tires, no sprocket spacers, sticky enough to drag hard parts. 1,000 miles now with no regrets, very happy with these tires, only unknown is how they will do in the wet and I hope not to find out on the way home...LOL"

Mike, sorry to be dense, but could you remind me which shinkos you've fitted. i asume they are 130/70 and 180/60. is hat correct. and what's the link to a photo. thanks very much. best, randy.

http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=72
http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=5

These links are no longer functioning. Could someone please say what sizes these tires are? They fit without spacers or machining?
Thanks!

130/70 and 180/60-16. Spacers were used to move the sprockets outwards (see first page of this thread).

G.

paso750 wrote:130/70 and 180/60-16. Spacers were used to move the sprockets outwards (see first page of this thread).

G.

I am running the 180/60-16 Shinko 747 (new ones are now called 757) on the rear and a 130/70-16 006 PODIUM RADIAL FRONT. There are no spacers ect... whatsoever used on the sprockets. The front fender mount needs a small amount of space by adding a washer. There is a fat edge on the rear tire, lift rear of bike with stand use an angle grinder and remove about 1mm of rubber from tire so it does not rub chain.... ride bike... be happy.
Most here like to make large issues out of insignificant things, not sure why.... I'd rather just go ride than sweat the small stuff

21783mike wrote:I am running the 180/60-16 Shinko 747 (new ones are now called 757) on the rear and a 130/70-16 006 PODIUM RADIAL FRONT. There are no spacers ect... whatsoever used on the sprockets. The front fender mount needs a small amount of space by adding a washer. There is a fat edge on the rear tire, lift rear of bike with stand use an angle grinder and remove about 1mm of rubber from tire so it does not rub chain.... ride bike... be happy.
Most here like to make large issues out of insignificant things, not sure why.... I'd rather just go ride than sweat the small stuff

Very Interesting! Thanks for confirming my own thoughts.
I have previously decided to go the same route as yourself when I need new tires.
I have also noticed the thick rubber "edge" where the tread meets the sidewall and have actually trimmed it on another bike when it rubbed the drive shaft tube. I sell fat tire kits for certain metric cruisers and sometimes deal with clearance issues. I am confidant that removing the small amount of rubber required for chain clearance on our Paso's won't be a problem and won't compromise tire performance or integrity in the slightest I may go with a different brand of tire but I will be installing the same sizes you chose. I figured it would work but thank you again for confirming it!

the Shinko seems to be one of the narrower 180s. The Avon is quite wide and I`m in doubt that cutting the edge will be sufficiant. Don`t know about other models.

Just to be clear on this
The Shinko requires only a front fender raise

The Avon 150/80ZR16 and 130/70ZR16 require a front fender raise and half rings and extra link in the chain and is the only MOT legal change currrently

Every other combo of 16 inch tire(180/60-16or 180/xx-16) requires all of the above and spacers to move the chain out, longer side and center stands.

17 inch conversions require wheels,swingarm/fork changes and brake holder relocations or upgrades and side stand and center stand changes.

Welding up your wheels to 17 requires roughly comparable outlays of cash, side and centerstand changes braided brake lines or brake upgrades

Is that about it?

Being overly precise I don`t completely agree.

The 150/80 is higher than the 180/60 so it will require longer stands also.
The 150/80 is mountable w/o the halfrings (legally) but you`ll have the disadvantage to lose most of the range one needs to properly adjust the chain (so using the halfrings makes sense but is not a must).

130/70 w/ 180/60 can be run legally, even here in Germany.
What Ducati Germany issued for the 130/70 150/80 Avon combination is no official TÜV approval but a document of compliance. In some countries this won`t make a difference. Here and in some other countries that only means that Ducati says it`s ok using them. You still have to get that change officially approved by the TÜV, MFK or whatever organization as they will check if the necessary mods and clearances are ok.
A DOC will make it a bit easier to get the official approval. Legalizing the 130/70 180/60 combination is not a problem if the tires speed range is above the bikes top speed, the clearances are fine and the conversion is done well.
In Italy it`s again another story. Bureaucracy is a bit more complex there

G.

Being overly precise I don`t completely agree.

Exactly why I asked the question

As always everyone's input is appreciated,just thought it a good idea to put it all in one place instead of scattered around across all the forums

paso750 wrote: In Italy it`s again another story. Bureaucracy is a bit more complex there

It's so.
Here in Italy, that Ducati document has no worth, so it's no way to ride legally a Paso with tires different from 130/60 r16 and 160/60 r16...

The worst problem is with the insurances. The insurance company could not pay for an accident caused by a bike not fully legal.
All in all, you could have to pay by yourself in spite of you have paid for the insurance...
Ciao

Good work, higgy and paso750. Thanks. I'm not sure if your summary above includes this:

Swing arm changes include 3 basic mods

mod 1 change to a 907 swing arm( or similar 17 inch swingarm)

mod 2 Skins picture of a modded cross bar

mod 3 cut and lengthen the 16 inch swing arm

Anyone have anything to add ?

I'm glad we don't have to deal with that legal B.S. here in California

paso750 wrote:Being overly precise I don`t completely agree.

The 150/80 is higher than the 180/60 so it will require longer stands also.
The 150/80 is mountable w/o the halfrings (legally) but you`ll have the disadvantage to lose most of the range one needs to properly adjust the chain (so using the halfrings makes sense but is not a must).

130/70 w/ 180/60 can be run legally, even here in Germany.
What Ducati Germany issued for the 130/70 150/80 Avon combination is no official TÜV approval but a document of compliance. In some countries this won`t make a difference. Here and in some other countries that only means that Ducati says it`s ok using them. You still have to get that change officially approved by the TÜV, MFK or whatever organization as they will check if the necessary mods and clearances are ok.
A DOC will make it a bit easier to get the official approval. Legalizing the 130/70 180/60 combination is not a problem if the tires speed range is above the bikes top speed, the clearances are fine and the conversion is done well.
In Italy it`s again another story. Bureaucracy is a bit more complex there

G.

Thanky G. for the clearification

- For the Avon Azaro combination, I decided not to use the halfrings as it was not necessary to adjust my (former) chain on the PASO for many many kms and I hope it will work out fine again (I used again a good chain and it is important to use the right adjustment from the very beginning on)

- In my case (because of the excenter position I used), there is no use to change the original side or central stand

- Here is more information:

http://forums.ducatipaso.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4463

- for those who are in Switzerland: Tire sizes or changes to the tire sizes need not to be reportend in the papers of the verhicle (Fahrzeugsausweis). This is different to Germany. with the document of ducati germany (here Avon Azaro, 150/80 and 130/70) , a check for instance by the police can not cause any problems - that is the information I got from all sides: the MFK, the police and the insurance. with the next regular MFK (technical approvement), they check the tires, but the new dimension will be fine (the document of Ducati Germany is helpful here).

- even without an additional document, the MFK would also accept the conversion to 180/60, it is here just like G. metioned.

All the best, Hardo