Have you got some distance on those tyres yet?
can you give us a report on handling etc?
Does the rear rub on the swingarm when it warms up?
Lets see some pics of them to see how far you are leaning her over :laugh:
My first new tyres
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Paul
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Red,
Last weekend was a bit of a disaster as far as motorbikes was concerned. We have just sold our house and are looking for a place to rent until our new house is built, so that was Saturday gone. Sunday I went to Kyalami race track (cycling) and did my 12 laps, then we had a farewell lunch with my Brother-in-Law and his family as they are emigrating to your neck of the woods. They are leaving for Brisbane on 1st September.
I'm glad to say that a colleague at work has a spare garage so the Paso can still live in doors until her new garage is ready for her.
I'm going to take a ride out to the new place at Hartbeespoort Dam on Saturday as I have a cycle race on Sunday. They started building yesterday. Hartbeespoort Dam is where all the motorcyclist go for their "breakfast run" early on Sunday morning. It is about 50km from where I currently live and the cops turn a blind eye to the motorcyclists on the trip out there...
Report back on Monday, with photos if I get any decent lean angles (the cause will probably be me, not the tyres, if I don't
).
Paul
Last weekend was a bit of a disaster as far as motorbikes was concerned. We have just sold our house and are looking for a place to rent until our new house is built, so that was Saturday gone. Sunday I went to Kyalami race track (cycling) and did my 12 laps, then we had a farewell lunch with my Brother-in-Law and his family as they are emigrating to your neck of the woods. They are leaving for Brisbane on 1st September.
I'm glad to say that a colleague at work has a spare garage so the Paso can still live in doors until her new garage is ready for her.
I'm going to take a ride out to the new place at Hartbeespoort Dam on Saturday as I have a cycle race on Sunday. They started building yesterday. Hartbeespoort Dam is where all the motorcyclist go for their "breakfast run" early on Sunday morning. It is about 50km from where I currently live and the cops turn a blind eye to the motorcyclists on the trip out there...
Report back on Monday, with photos if I get any decent lean angles (the cause will probably be me, not the tyres, if I don't
).Paul
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redpaso
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When you have finished building will you have to commute along this road to work each day? That could get you some time in the saddle
Brisbane is a beautiful part of this beautiful country I am sure your brother-in-law & his family will love it there. It is about 750Km North from me on the East Coast.
Look forward to the photos, Some shots of the Paso & the road would be good too.
Brisbane is a beautiful part of this beautiful country I am sure your brother-in-law & his family will love it there. It is about 750Km North from me on the East Coast.
Look forward to the photos, Some shots of the Paso & the road would be good too.
Redpaso
"My favourite peice of Ballet is a long sweeping corner"
"My favourite peice of Ballet is a long sweeping corner"
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Paul
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Red,
I tend not to use the Paso to commute because I start work at 6:30am and I have to drop my 15 year old son at school first (yes, he is the first to arrive at school...).
The house should be finished in the middle of march so I can look forward to the school holidays around Easter time. It is about 55-58km each way to the office.
This road is currently a single lane each way, winding road, and is notorious for people having accidents. They are busy converting it in to three lanes (changing between two lanes going out and one back, to one lane going out and two lanes coming back) which should be finsihed just before we move out there.
It goes past the World Heritage Site "The Cradle of Humankind" where the oldest "Human" remains were found.
In the map below I currently live near Fourways, and the office is near the "u" of Fourways. If you look up and to the left you will see Hartbeespoort Dam (the blue bit). The new house is (will be) if you follow the Renosterspruit road up to the T juction, turn left and follow the squiggly bit until just before the next main intersection.
So where abouts are you based ?
Paul
I tend not to use the Paso to commute because I start work at 6:30am and I have to drop my 15 year old son at school first (yes, he is the first to arrive at school...).
The house should be finished in the middle of march so I can look forward to the school holidays around Easter time. It is about 55-58km each way to the office.
This road is currently a single lane each way, winding road, and is notorious for people having accidents. They are busy converting it in to three lanes (changing between two lanes going out and one back, to one lane going out and two lanes coming back) which should be finsihed just before we move out there.
It goes past the World Heritage Site "The Cradle of Humankind" where the oldest "Human" remains were found.
In the map below I currently live near Fourways, and the office is near the "u" of Fourways. If you look up and to the left you will see Hartbeespoort Dam (the blue bit). The new house is (will be) if you follow the Renosterspruit road up to the T juction, turn left and follow the squiggly bit until just before the next main intersection.
So where abouts are you based ?
Paul
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fklemenz
Hi again,
I try to summarize the impression the guy at http://www.ducclub.de/technik/750s.htm
got.
In the first chapter he comlpains about the original size in the dimensions (130/60-16 auf 3,75 x 16 und 160/60-16 on 5,00 x 16 wheels). Especially the strange feeling at slow speed. But thats what we all know.
The Pirelli MP7 were a bit better as the Michelin, but they are not longer available and the abrasion was horrible.
Next time he tested the Metzeler 160/70 VB16 ME1 and the 130/70 VB16 ME33. That was a good one, but the 130/70 is also not produced any longer. An interesting thing is that the 160/70 VB 16 on the 5.00 wheel is nearly 180 mm wide. (see the picture with a 155 car tyre).
Next time he used the 120/80 VB16 ME33 CompK MBS on the fron wheel with a lot of shaking together with the bad original suspoension.
What I found out is that the ME33 is also not produced in 2005.
Metzeler replaces it with the new LASERTEC.
The last Metzeler combination was (or is) the 130/70 ZR 16 TL MEZ1 F and a 150/80 ZR 16 TL MEZ2 For this tyres I have a certification from Metzeler for the 750 SPORT.
Last chance for the 16" wheels is the Dunlop Sportmax, also in 150/80 ZR 16 and 120/80 ZR 16.
The final thing the guy did was to change the wheels to PVM wheels. Theres a kit available at http://www.italo-shop.com/ but they are very expensive. Taking the wheels from a 888 is a lot cheaper. The modifications he had to do can be seen at the photos
As I already told before I have the new Metzeler Lasertec at home and will put them on the wheels this Friday.
Will give you a detailed report on Monday.
I try to summarize the impression the guy at http://www.ducclub.de/technik/750s.htm
got.
In the first chapter he comlpains about the original size in the dimensions (130/60-16 auf 3,75 x 16 und 160/60-16 on 5,00 x 16 wheels). Especially the strange feeling at slow speed. But thats what we all know.
The Pirelli MP7 were a bit better as the Michelin, but they are not longer available and the abrasion was horrible.
Next time he tested the Metzeler 160/70 VB16 ME1 and the 130/70 VB16 ME33. That was a good one, but the 130/70 is also not produced any longer. An interesting thing is that the 160/70 VB 16 on the 5.00 wheel is nearly 180 mm wide. (see the picture with a 155 car tyre).
Next time he used the 120/80 VB16 ME33 CompK MBS on the fron wheel with a lot of shaking together with the bad original suspoension.
What I found out is that the ME33 is also not produced in 2005.
Metzeler replaces it with the new LASERTEC.
The last Metzeler combination was (or is) the 130/70 ZR 16 TL MEZ1 F and a 150/80 ZR 16 TL MEZ2 For this tyres I have a certification from Metzeler for the 750 SPORT.
Last chance for the 16" wheels is the Dunlop Sportmax, also in 150/80 ZR 16 and 120/80 ZR 16.
The final thing the guy did was to change the wheels to PVM wheels. Theres a kit available at http://www.italo-shop.com/ but they are very expensive. Taking the wheels from a 888 is a lot cheaper. The modifications he had to do can be seen at the photos
As I already told before I have the new Metzeler Lasertec at home and will put them on the wheels this Friday.
Will give you a detailed report on Monday.
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redpaso
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Paul,
thanks for the map & explaination of your location.
As for me I am near Taree in New South Wales (this is Troy Bayliss home Town). It is a City of about 40,000. It is approximately 350 Km north of Sydney & about 750 Km South of Brisbane which is in Queensland. It is a beautiful spot between the ocean & the mountians. Good Dairy country.
Here's a link to a map I put in my album in the gallery. Not the greatest but you get teh idea as to where I am.
http://forums.ducatipaso.org/viewtopic. ... _photo.php
Teh squiggly red line above Taree (Between Port Macquarie & Tamworth) is the OXLEY HIGHWAY which has a reputation as being one of the greatest bike roads on Mainland Australia (Tasmania being Not mainland but every road there is a fantastic bike road). So I consider myself very lucky, there are a lot of great roads around here
thanks for the map & explaination of your location.
As for me I am near Taree in New South Wales (this is Troy Bayliss home Town). It is a City of about 40,000. It is approximately 350 Km north of Sydney & about 750 Km South of Brisbane which is in Queensland. It is a beautiful spot between the ocean & the mountians. Good Dairy country.
Here's a link to a map I put in my album in the gallery. Not the greatest but you get teh idea as to where I am.
http://forums.ducatipaso.org/viewtopic. ... _photo.php
Teh squiggly red line above Taree (Between Port Macquarie & Tamworth) is the OXLEY HIGHWAY which has a reputation as being one of the greatest bike roads on Mainland Australia (Tasmania being Not mainland but every road there is a fantastic bike road). So I consider myself very lucky, there are a lot of great roads around here
Redpaso
"My favourite peice of Ballet is a long sweeping corner"
"My favourite peice of Ballet is a long sweeping corner"
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Paul
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Red,
Here is a picture of the rear tyre after my first proper ride (about 110km).
At the end of the ride I went up to Monte Casino, which is a entertainment complex built to look like a Tuscan village from the outside, that contains a casino. This is about 3.5 km from my current house. The interesting thing about it is that it that it was built on the corner of two roads and they built a road around the back of it to join these roads. This road is just under a kilometer long and curves around the back of the whole complex. There are three entrances, each with its own roundabout / traffic circle. This is an excellent place to "warm up the tyres".
Not bad for a first attempt, but I suppose I am going to have to do better...
Paul
Here is a picture of the rear tyre after my first proper ride (about 110km).
At the end of the ride I went up to Monte Casino, which is a entertainment complex built to look like a Tuscan village from the outside, that contains a casino. This is about 3.5 km from my current house. The interesting thing about it is that it that it was built on the corner of two roads and they built a road around the back of it to join these roads. This road is just under a kilometer long and curves around the back of the whole complex. There are three entrances, each with its own roundabout / traffic circle. This is an excellent place to "warm up the tyres".
Not bad for a first attempt, but I suppose I am going to have to do better...
Paul
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redpaso
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Definately a respectable effort Paul.
How did you find the handling?
Did you have any truoble with the warm rear touching on the swingarm?
Maybe we should start a thread of "Rear Tyre Shots".
Here's a bit of trivia, I grew up in a town called "Casino" here in Australia. It was actually named after the place "Monte Cassino" but apparently when they registered teh town they accidentally left out the second "S" :screwy: . Casino actually appears on the map link I posted above.
How did you find the handling?
Did you have any truoble with the warm rear touching on the swingarm?
Maybe we should start a thread of "Rear Tyre Shots".
Here's a bit of trivia, I grew up in a town called "Casino" here in Australia. It was actually named after the place "Monte Cassino" but apparently when they registered teh town they accidentally left out the second "S" :screwy: . Casino actually appears on the map link I posted above.
Redpaso
"My favourite peice of Ballet is a long sweeping corner"
"My favourite peice of Ballet is a long sweeping corner"
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Paul
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Finnpaso,
I know that the previous owner had removed a small amount from the plastic chain guard to fit the tyres before. I will try to have a good look tonight when I get home to make sure there is no rubbing anywhere. It is pretty dark when I get home on a Wednesday so it may only be tomorrow night.
The eccentric adjusters are in the middle position. By this I mean that the place where you insert the big allen key is at its lowest position. The chain is just a little slack so the adjuster will be rotated towards the front sprocket, which should provide more space for the tyre.
Here is a photo that I already had of the left hand side of the tyre
If you look at the top left of the picture you can see the cut away / worn away section of the plastic chain guard.
Red,
The handling was great, but considering the tyres that were already on it I was starting from a low base. With the previous tyres you had to work at getting her to lean over, then she wanted to drop in to the corner.
When I looked at the front 70 section tyre before fitting, it looked like she would just fall over once you got a few degrees from the vertical. But once they were fitted and inflated it looks normal.
With the new tyres it is a progressive lean and it inspires confidence. In one of the other Forums I wrote that I had test ridden a Buell XB12S in April around Zwartkops raceway and lent this over further in those 5 laps than I had ever done the Ducati. Well, the Ducati now leans over just as far, and this is on the street, not the track.
Paul
I know that the previous owner had removed a small amount from the plastic chain guard to fit the tyres before. I will try to have a good look tonight when I get home to make sure there is no rubbing anywhere. It is pretty dark when I get home on a Wednesday so it may only be tomorrow night.
The eccentric adjusters are in the middle position. By this I mean that the place where you insert the big allen key is at its lowest position. The chain is just a little slack so the adjuster will be rotated towards the front sprocket, which should provide more space for the tyre.
Here is a photo that I already had of the left hand side of the tyre
If you look at the top left of the picture you can see the cut away / worn away section of the plastic chain guard.
Red,
The handling was great, but considering the tyres that were already on it I was starting from a low base. With the previous tyres you had to work at getting her to lean over, then she wanted to drop in to the corner.
When I looked at the front 70 section tyre before fitting, it looked like she would just fall over once you got a few degrees from the vertical. But once they were fitted and inflated it looks normal.
With the new tyres it is a progressive lean and it inspires confidence. In one of the other Forums I wrote that I had test ridden a Buell XB12S in April around Zwartkops raceway and lent this over further in those 5 laps than I had ever done the Ducati. Well, the Ducati now leans over just as far, and this is on the street, not the track.
Paul
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Finnpaso
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Thanks Paul!
Ill wait Your notifications about space around rubber, but seems, that if rubber DONT hit to anywhere, those same tires are next tires to my Beauty also
That chain guard is not anykind problem to modify to fit better tires(what i really want to her)
Soon i have to change tires to my bike, so ill wait......
btw, Is Your bike 750 (cause same colour wheels, as in my 750), or 906? I think its same with these tires in 906 in back, but something can be different in front of 906, cause another kind Marchocci M1R in 906, than in 750
Ill wait Your notifications about space around rubber, but seems, that if rubber DONT hit to anywhere, those same tires are next tires to my Beauty also
That chain guard is not anykind problem to modify to fit better tires(what i really want to her)
Soon i have to change tires to my bike, so ill wait......
btw, Is Your bike 750 (cause same colour wheels, as in my 750), or 906? I think its same with these tires in 906 in back, but something can be different in front of 906, cause another kind Marchocci M1R in 906, than in 750
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Paul
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Finnpaso,
If you look from the back of the bike.
The gap between the right hand side of the tyre and the swinging arm is 5mm.
The gap between the left hand side of the tyre and the swinging arm is 8mm.
The gap between the left hand side of the tyre and the chain is around 3mm.
Between the tread of the tyre and top of the front of the swinging arm I could just get my fingertips in so I guess it was around 5 or 6mm. The gap at the bottom was about the same. Without removing the wheel I can't tell you 100% that the tyre tread hasn't touched the swinging arm, but I am pretty certain that it hasn't.
I hope this sets your mind at rest.
Paul
If you look from the back of the bike.
The gap between the right hand side of the tyre and the swinging arm is 5mm.
The gap between the left hand side of the tyre and the swinging arm is 8mm.
The gap between the left hand side of the tyre and the chain is around 3mm.
Between the tread of the tyre and top of the front of the swinging arm I could just get my fingertips in so I guess it was around 5 or 6mm. The gap at the bottom was about the same. Without removing the wheel I can't tell you 100% that the tyre tread hasn't touched the swinging arm, but I am pretty certain that it hasn't.
I hope this sets your mind at rest.
Paul
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Very many thanks Paul Those were just, what i wanted to know! My next tire set is just same, what You have
Your mail was very usefull info to many Paso 750 (and 906) drivers, if they want to put some much better tires, than those Michelins, so i think that "michelin syndroma" is over now, or is there any discussion still with front tire ?
Finnpaso
Paso 750
Paso 907IE
Those were just, what i wanted to know! My next tire set is just same, what You have Your mail was very usefull info to many Paso 750 (and 906) drivers, if they want to put some much better tires, than those Michelins, so i think that "michelin syndroma" is over now, or is there any discussion still with front tire ?
Finnpaso
Paso 750
Paso 907IE