On the road again!

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On the road again!

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I appologize in advance for the long post. Just thought I would share a bit of my first 6 months of Ducati ownership.

As I indicated in a previous post, I bought my 1992 red 907ie in January as a non-runner but potentially fixable or at least something I could get my money back from parting out. The story was that the bike was not running right and the PO, afraid of potential valve train issues took it into the now defunct (thankfully) Richmond Motorsports (RM). Bottom line is that they told him the heads were shot. I know this because after I bought the bike, they were still in business and I spoke to the service manager and the mechanic who "worked" on the bike and they both remembered it well.

Before I spoke to them at RM, I "met" Josh at Sport Cycle in Calgary through the Western Canada Ducati forum. He told me (as did others on this forum) that hand grinding valve shims is not only not rare, but it is the proper thing to do. So when I had the chance I visited them at RM.

They assured me that the 907's were crappy machines and hoped I hadn't spent much money on this useless bike. They said the heads were shot and at a minimum would need a valve job, but that the seats on these heads are virtually impossible to work with. They said that there was no one in Canada they knew with the talent to work on these types of heads and the couple of places in the States they had used in the past were hit and miss. They themselves were not interested in touching this machine. The mechanic also told me that he thought there was likely a problem with the injectors. They could probably tell that this was not the kind of discussion I was hoping for when I went in, so they kindly offered to sell me a new bike if I was interested. :drunk: Of course after having the service manager and mechanic from a Ducati dealter just devote half an hour to extolling the excrement that these machines are, somehow didn't work for me as a segway to the sales department (did I mention this operation has since gone bust? Go figure :banghead: ).

In reality I didn't have much invested in the bike and I have a thing about throwing things out that are fixable. I was also assured from those on this forum that these are great dependable bikes after I shared the RM news here. Speaking to Josh, he was most diplomatic but what I gathered from our conversation was that he did not share the RM opinion about rebuilding Ducati or these heads. On Ebay I found a set of ST2 heads (which apparently fit the 907 with just a drill out for the tach drive) and throttle bodies for a good price. Figuring my heads were toast, I swapped what I could from my 907 heads to the ST2 heads and shipped out both sets of heads to Josh. I think that was early March.

Once Josh and Brian at Sport Cycle looked over what I had, Brian called me and told me that he could see almost nothing wrong with the 907 heads. There was some slight leakage around one of the exaust valves, but that was it. So we went with the program to clean up the 907 heads and do a bit of a grinding to properly seat the valves and make these heads as new. In the meantime, I planned a trip to California for mid July and figured I would have the bike on the road early June at the latest so I could give it a try out in the 3 Valley Gap ride in the mountains of Eastern British Columbia. Brian told me there was a bent valve on one of the ST2 heads. While the heads were there, I figured they might as well put them into top form as well. I can either use them at some point, buy an ST2 for cheap that needs new heads, or resell these.

Well...time drifted on. Josh had a hard time getting an idler bearing for the cam belts and bottom line is that the 907 heads were not completed until essentially the weekend of the 3 Valley Gap ride n(July 1), so I would not be at that event. To make matters worse, I had a family reunion in that area so on my way home, with heads in trunk of the car, I kept seeing all manner of Ducatsi on the mountain roads with big grins on their faces (I can only assume smirking at me and my mode of transport)!

I leave for California on Thursday. Because I thought I would be replacing the 907 heads with the ST2 heads I swapped a pile of the stuff for the 907 onto the ST2 heads. Brian has not finished with the ST2 heads. This created a few further frustrations as I could not reinstall the heads until Wednesday night because the locating dowels were left in the ST2 heads, which are still in Calgary. So Wednesday and Thursday nights after work, the bike was put back together.

So yesterday was the big day! Time to set the TPS and start 'er up. Late start. Setting the TPS was actually quite easy. LT Saunder's book is a must have and having the extra throttle bodies on the bench to see what I was looking for was a great help. The TPS was way, way off (as I may have replaced it along with the injectors from the Ebay unit I bought). That done, time to start it. It was a bit reluctant to wake up after sleeping a few years, but after a few nudges, wake up it did, cuss'n and and fart'n (my wife says I do the same thing). After warming it up I took it out to fill the tank. Ran like a bucking mule. Returned to the garage with a warm bike and time to balance the throttle bodies. Now that was a swear fest! First, the rear air bleed was out three turns and the front air bleed was screwed all the way in. With both screwed in, getting to the synch screw was real fun...NOT! The front and rear cylinders were waaaaay out of synch. When you get to be an old geezer like me your fingers and wrists don't quite work so well in such small spaces and the carpel tunnel experience was one I could have done without :shock: . Once balanced, the idle was up to almost 2,000 RPM. My appologies to the names I was calling the synch screw. I guess the fast idle screw heard me because, although it looked like it would be easier to reach, not the case. The fast idle screw was too far in creating the high idle even before the air bleed screws were turned out. And of course with the engine running while doing all this (in the garage for a good dose of carbon monoxide) every time you try to turn the screw, the throttle is pushed and the dose of CM increases. This caused some new swearing, but the bike was no longer a fart'n and a cuss'n.

The job is now done and with a short blast around the Island (it's slow over here - I can even get a speeding ticket on the Spree), the Duc is a beatiful thing! :lol:

Makes you kinda wonder about those boys at RM. If they just had a copy of LT's book they could have learned how to adjust the fuel system, which is probably all this bike ever needed to be back on the road. Oh well, I now have what should be an almost good as new Sport Tourer.

I'm meeting a buddy in Horsehoe Bay in the morning and we will head off towards Whistler to see how this beasts is on the highway at speed. Don't want to be too cocky but I'm not worried and backing my bag for California on Thursday.

SUMMARY:

:D I'm on the road and happy!
:twisted: "Ding Dong the Butchers of Richmond are Gone!" Anyone who used those guys will be happy to know that there are real mechanics out there - find them and rejoice.
:) Many thanks to Josh and Brian at Sport Cycle in Calgary. They are a pleasure to deal with and seem to know what they are doing. Well worth the shipping costs.

Well, gotta go. It's gettting light out and I might as well wake up the neighbourhood.
Cheers,
Randy

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That is great! Congratulations! :thumbup:
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I'm gunna need to see some pics of this bike!
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well done. If the bike was stored for a few years, did you flush the tank, too ? Tank, filters and injectors are areas where fuel deposits can build up after time causing some problems.
Were the ST2 heads complete ? If so I`d used those cams instead of the original ones.
Have fun riding !

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good story and keep going.!!!!!! LETS KEEP THE PASO ALIVE! :cool: :thumbup: :beer: :(
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They assured me that the 907's were crappy machines and hoped I hadn't spent much money on this useless bike.
guess they dont even know what a 906 is, sounds like a bunch of shit head youngsters to me...FukUm.
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higgy wrote:
They assured me that the 907's were crappy machines and hoped I hadn't spent much money on this useless bike.
guess they dont even know what a 906 is, sounds like a bunch of shit head youngsters to me...FukUm.
ditto, probly still riding 2 strokes :lol:
I wish I was young again............Id be heaps smarter than last time
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ditto, probly still riding 2 strokes
Hey now, my first bike was an RZ way back in 93 or 94... If I could I'd ride an oil burner once a day just for the smell..... One of my favorite aromas... :beer:
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The short ride to Squamish (about 100 kms round trip) made me really like this bike. Stopped at a NAPA auto parts dealer and obtained a new oil pressure sender switch as the old one was leaking. Cost was $12. I didn't tell them it was for a Ducati until after I paid for it.

That was Sunday. On Friday morning, the next time I fired up the Duc it was to meet my brother at Tri-Cities, Washington (about 1,000 kms) on our way to California. Started it up in a rush as I had to make the 6:30 am ferry. I was met by the smell of oil and big smoke! Too late to worry so I just left. Turned out to be the remnants of the oil switch leak and once it burned off that was it.

WHAT A GREAT BIKE!!! Smooth, comfortable and handles great! And 50 US mpg! I love this bike.

Though through the 4,300 kms of the trip I cannot say it was entirely without incident. In the middle of nowhere in South Eastern Oregon, I noticed that the left chain adjuster had snapped off. It did not look like the rear axle moved, just snapped bolt and missing end piece. How weird is that?? I'm an old fart closer to death than most of the young'uns on these machines so it is not like I was scraping the mirrors in the turns or blasting 1/4 miles. Fortunately I was able to use the measuring fork as a stop for the axle moving forward (but I doubt that would happen anyways). No further developments in that category and I will have to take the rest of the bolt out and make a new end piece, maybe next weekend.

Then the bike started to hiccup. A rare event at first but in California it became more prevalent. Always going first to a worst case scenario I took off the plastic and checked the head bolts to ensure they were tight enough. There was a bit of oil that looked like it may have been leaking from the rear cylinder on the rear left side but once that bolt was tightened no further evidence of leaking....but the occasional missing continued. It is kind of strange. It is intermittent which makes me think it is electrical rather than mechanical. It seems to me like it is more prevalent when the engine is hot and especially at slow speeds in traffic. However it can miss on the highway as well, just not that often. There is a click and then a definite miss, like the engine loses spark for a second, then goes fine. In the slower city environment this can occur quite often to the point of quite a bit of concern. It was particularly bad when I got back to Vancouver and got stuck in some heavy traffic. I might believe it to be something like a main breaker except that the electrics seem to keep going and I should not hear a breaker click at highway speeds with a full face helmet. So far no sign of the tick and miss at idle. Any guesses??

I thought it might be a leaking plug wire but there should not be the click and the idle should be affected. If it were a coil, I would expect the problem to be more regular, but I am not ruling out the coils as potential suspects. Why there would be a mechanical tick before a miss has me stumped and doubting the coils as culprits. Could be the CPU but again, why the click. I know nothing about the CPU except that it is big, sits under the seat and can get rather hot with little air circulation.

If it were something in the valve train, I would have expected the engine to be toast by now and the problem should not be intermittent, but the tick does sound pretty mechanical. Ditto anything in the crankshaft, etc. I thought it could be a fuel breaker. I did have the engine cut out completely on me one time but noticed there was no winding up of the fuel pump. After jiggling what looks like a breaker the pump started and no more problems in that department. This is actually the first thing I will look into as the fuel pump breaker is in the front binacle thing and breakers do make a distinct tick when breaking that could be amplified by the binnacle. But usually it takes longer for the breaker to re-engage in my experience than the second or less that the miss happens.

Whatever. I have owned a custom Harley for years that has been my main touring bike. I sold it a couple of months ago. Now don't get me wrong, I loved those years traveling through America like it was 1937 all over again....including a tool set as heavy as the Harley and never having a road trip with as few and minor as the problems with the Ducati this year. Let alone that after a day in the saddle of the Harley, my back would be sore and after a week a massage was required. Two weeks would require extensive chiropractic work. And that was with aftermarket seat, bars, etc. Although I would occasionally reach my legs for the non-existant highway pegs on the Ducati, it was very comfortable and I never had back, neck or other pains. I think it is the most comfortable bike to ride all day than any of the other bikes I have ever owned. It was also very smooth. As far as speed and handling....well a comparison to the Harley would be like comparing an ox cart to a formula racer.

Very glad I kept this bike and fixed it. Once the nervous tick is gone this machine could be the cause of some serious dust accumulation on the other bikes.

I will have to figure out how to download some pics.

Oh..by the way, the trip, roads and wines were out of this world. I think I will start a new thread on this site or the Western Canda Ducati site on some of the great roads we found. If others follow suit, even if we do not have rallies, at least we can try each other's secret, or not so secret, roads.
Cheers,
Randy

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Sensational Randy, very happy for you.
Great outcome and most likely not an unusual story.
Believe in your 907 and this site, the help is amazing [feel the looovvvveeeee]

By breaker I assume you mean relay?

One 907 task is to do the wiring upgrades. If the bike hasn't had a lot of use first check earths are clean and tight. Do the big wire upgrades, it makes a big difference, see the tech areas for details.
I also upgrade the earths as well and add some more!
By upgrade I mean a thicker wire, stong connections, solder if you can and good heat shrink insulation.

Some of us have upgraded our chips to the Fast by Ferraci , FBF, stage one chip, most seem to have after market exhaust cans. My bike runs a lot smoother at low speed. You have done the other very important area in that you have reset the throttles , tps etc.
There is also the cigarette butt trick, search it in the tech section!!

My safety barrow is I hope your tyres [tires :wink: ] are newish. Over 6 years they should be replaced and check new ones are in fact recently made as I know of riders getting new tyres and finding they have sat on a shelf for over 6 years, very dangerous. off my soap box.

thanks for sharing your story and giving hope to any others in the circumstances in the future.

ciao
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Hey Nige, many thanks! I have not done it yet, but reading the cigarette butt posts I found better descriptions of what my bike is doing than I gave. I am sure that will be the cure. I will bet the problem will be fixed with the cigarette butt. Now I have to go to town and search out butts. Not sure the wife will approve.

Totally agree on the tire business. I put on a new pair of Michelin Pilot 2's before I put the bike on the road. I cannot compare them to other tires on this bike and although I came close a few times, I managed to miss any rain on this trip. All I can say is that I did not feel the rain grooves on the Ducati like my brother did on his Harley, and the grip seemed absolutely solid and confidence inspiring. I like the concept of dual material tires so that they keep their profile as I do long distances on my bike and single compound tires tend to lose their shape in pretty short order. The Michelins seem to still look new after 4,000 kms (but they should).

There are two (at least) relays for the fuel system at the front left of the bike. One has a 15 amp fuse and the other has what looks like a circuit breaker instead of a fuse. I could be wrong as I did not look that close once I jiggled it and the pump re-engaged. I will review the wiring but I did a look over during the winter and made sure that the grounds I saw were well sorted. The bike came with the performance chip installed although I have not really looked to see where it plugs into the computer.
Cheers,
Randy

'92 907ie Ducati
'68 Harley/Aermacchi (65cc!!)
'89 GB500 Honda
'79 CBX Honda
'86 Honda Spree (50cc)
'60 Harley Topper

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