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Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:28 am
by paso750
what bike did that clutch slave exactly come from (model and year) ?

I`m not sure I understood the rest.

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:22 am
by Duc750
Spin the back wheel with your hand while working the shifter

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:01 pm
by bmw851
Mc tool wrote:I think the correct term is " penis fingers " .... fucks everything he touches :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now there is an expression I've never heard before, can I use it with your kind pemission :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And this is my mornings entertainment, following this post, Gerhard your patience seems to be endless :beer: :beer: :beer:

Onya

Peter

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:29 pm
by 907ie
haha sweet, ok it works now. I had spilled some brake fluid and oil around the bottom, and when I turn on there is some smoke, is this ok? Also, I added a too much oil, and there are bubbles, is it better to try to ride it to get moisture out if there is any, or to empty some oil first?

The cylinder I bought was this one, which the picture shows exactly the same as my old one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270860518249?ss ... 1497.l2649

However, when it arrived, it looked like this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-97-Ducati- ... es&vxp=mtr

Except that on the outward facing part in center there was a piece you could take out with a hex, and the top had the banjo with the clutch line and a bleeder bolt inside of that, with no cap.

I bled it, and it seems to work fine, I haven't ridden it really yet, but I will probably take it to a place that can bleed it better later.

How would I know if the cylinder was the wrong size? Would it simply not work?

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:09 am
by lane1feathers
907ie wrote:What do you mean mix the epoxy? I thought the white part was the glue. The other part smelled like chocolate but it tasted bad.
He's gotta be taking the piss...surely :shock:

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:07 pm
by paso750
you should wash off brake fluid with water instantly as it`s caustic and will leave marks on painted parts.
Where is the smoke coming from ? If you just got oil on your header it will smoke for a while until it`s burnt off.

The bubbles in the oil are a consequence of you adding too much. If you do that the crankshaft starts hitting the oil. What you get is foam. Numerous things can happen then. The oil pump starts pumping it, you lose oil pressure or foam is pressed out the crankcase vent and returns to your injectors. It all depends on how much over max you filled it.
If you didn`t change the oil yet, do it now. If you recently did it might work to suck out some of the excessive oil with a syringe and a thin tube or you`ll have to carefully drain some.

You sure are impatient. If I wouldn`t get what I bought and paid for I`d ask or complain instead of just putting it on the bike. Specially if it`s a part I could have bought for 1/3 of the price.
However can you post a picture of it ? Is there a year stamp on the bottom of it (a circle with 2 numbers in it) ?
I can`t think of one with a hex on the outside. It should not look like this

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Theoretically the newer clutch slave cylinders don`t have enough excursion, hence the clutch doesn`t disengage properly.

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:08 pm
by higgy
paso750 wrote:you don`t know how many bolts I snapped when I was younger :mrgreen:


Younger :?: :?: :?:

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:49 pm
by 907ie
Ok, I will get a picture later, and change the oil.

When I took the side case off to take out the stator, some oil dripped out, the side case was off for a couple of days. I put it back on and filled up with more oil, non synthetic like it was before, but I did it on the kickstand, and it was higher than normal when I put it back on.

Did I do something wrong there, could water have gotten in or something or should it be better after I change the oil and filter?

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:17 pm
by englishstiv
He's gotta be taking the piss...surely
:lol: :lol: :lol:


The future of this bike is getting really worrying now may I suggest this option

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-Hon ... 990wt_1165

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:17 pm
by englishstiv

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:19 pm
by paso750
but I did it on the kickstand, and it was higher than normal when I put it back on.
no shit :-P

Next time put the bike on the center stand and don`t fill up to max level. Everything between min and max is fine, there`s no need to top it up exactly to the max line.
Wipe the oil from the header, you can also wash it off with brake cleaner.

I doubt there`s water in the oil. If you don`t know when the last oil change was done do it.
I`ll better add that this is done when the engine is warm.

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:29 pm
by paso750
Younger :?: :?: :?:
It`s nice to be one of the youngsters at 43 :mrgreen: in reverse we should open a new topic to figure out why most Paso owners are old farts of 60+ :truck: :lol:

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:48 pm
by higgy
paso750 wrote:
Younger :?: :?: :?:
It`s nice to be one of the youngsters at 43 :mrgreen: in reverse we should open a new topic to figure out why most Paso owners are old farts of 60+ :truck: :lol:

Not there yet,jus closer than you my friend :truck: :choo: :phone: :smoke:

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:53 am
by 907ie
Dang I thought I was starting to get old, almost 22. :evil:

I mean I put the bike on the center stand not kickstand when I added the oil, I used the wrong word. I was supposed to do it there and not a normal position like riding?

Clutch Slave Cylinder
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The oil was changed about 900 miles ago, with a new fuel filter. What fuel filter should I use to change it? The auto place close by is Autozone, and I can order anything from their website there and go pick it up.

Oil level on kickstand (not center stand)
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Oil level in riding position
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It seems like it is where it should be, but a few days ago it was higher than this, after I had it turned on for about 5-10 minutes, now it is here, and the smoke is less than before.


Oil level in riding position, turned on
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Is it supposed to be lower when it is turned on? You can barely see the oil position at the very bottom.


After turned off, in riding position
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This is where it looks bad... frothy more yellowish color... After I run it for about 1-2 minutes then turned it off, then it has these little bubbles and yellowish color.



This is where the smoke is coming from, whitish/grayish color
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This is right at the bottom of the oil case, right above the base of the exhaust area. The smoke is much less than before, and I do have some brake fluid spilled.

I was worried about a sound as well... I can't remember, it has been a while since I rode this, but there appears to be slightly more rattling sound coming from the engine, but that could be my imagination.



Fuel filter
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This looks like it would be hard to take off with my hands, I just need one of those tools to take it off right?


Is this where you drain the oil?
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What is the screw at the bottom for?
Also does anyone have any idea what size this is? I have a 24 which is too big, and I think the next size bigger socket I have is 18 or 19 which is too small.





What is this? It is on the bottom of oil tank, but over to the left, looks like a large hex can fit inside
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If I was to go change the oil, would it be ok to drive the bike to the Autozone and change there, or should I walk there and bring the parts back. (1.2 miles away, about 3-4 minutes driving with all the lights.)


-When I change the oil, should it be in riding position (just held up in the same position as if I was riding) or center stand? When I add more oil, I put it to the middle of the two lines, and then how long should I keep it on before adding more to see if it goes down at all?



p.s. Some of the pictures are sideways, the one where I think you drain oil with the screw also is completely upside down...


I can't sell this or ride this until I get it fixed, I haven't had a job in like 9 months, I was traveling for a long time, so I can't afford to buy another vehicle until I do haha. Thanks for helping me fix!

Re: Bleeding/replacing clutch

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:39 am
by paso750
Dang I thought I was starting to get old, almost 22. :evil:
That or younger is what I would have guessed
I mean I put the bike on the center stand not kickstand when I added the oil, I used the wrong word. I was supposed to do it there and not a normal position like riding?
The best would be you have the bike standing on its wheels and someone to hold it upright while you fill up the oil. Of course while you drain the oil on a warm engine you check the oil level when it`s cold!
Clutch Slave Cylinder
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Looks fine. It`s also good the last owner added a case saver. A chain with a riveted lock would be better though than one with a clip lock.
Btw you could`ve measured the depth of the new cylinder to compare it to the old one but it looks like the old types so it`s fine.
The oil was changed about 900 miles ago, with a new fuel filter. What fuel filter should I use to change it? The auto place close by is Autozone, and I can order anything from their website there and go pick it up
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You don`t need to change the fuel filter when you change the oil. :mrgreen:
Change the oil filter. Which brand it is doesn`t matter. It`s a common size (same on all belt drive Ducs, many Alfa Romeos, some french cars etc)
http://forums.ducatipaso.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2152
Oil level on kickstand (not center stand)
sure or is it center stand not kickstand ?! :D
Oil level in riding position
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It seems like it is where it should be, but a few days ago it was higher than this, after I had it turned on for about 5-10 minutes, now it is here, and the smoke is less than before.
That the engine just burns the excessive oil isn`t good and it`s still over max.

Oil level in riding position, turned on
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Is it supposed to be lower when it is turned on? You can barely see the oil position at the very bottom.
Think ! When the engine is running the oil is circulating hence there`s less in the oil sump.

After turned off, in riding position
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This is where it looks bad... frothy more yellowish color... After I run it for about 1-2 minutes then turned it off, then it has these little bubbles and yellowish color.
Too much oil. As you say the bike is smoking less it`s unlikely it`s coolant mixing with the oil which would be really bad.

This is where the smoke is coming from, whitish/grayish color
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This is right at the bottom of the oil case, right above the base of the exhaust area. The smoke is much less than before, and I do have some brake fluid spilled.
The header cross is hollow so the oil that ran down the engine probably collected in there. Clean it out.
I was worried about a sound as well... I can't remember, it has been a while since I rode this, but there appears to be slightly more rattling sound coming from the engine, but that could be my imagination.
I hope for you it is.

Fuel filter
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This looks like it would be hard to take off with my hands, I just need one of those tools to take it off right?
Oil filter.
Get one of these:
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http://www.autozone.com/autozone/access ... h/_/N-25ra
Is this where you drain the oil?
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What is the screw at the bottom for?
Also does anyone have any idea what size this is? I have a 24 which is too big, and I think the next size bigger socket I have is 18 or 19 which is too small.
no. I wish at least once you`d take a look at the service manual or parts catalogue. :banghead:
That`s the oil screen filter which should also be removed and cleaned when you change the oil. I can`t really remember if you have to remove that screw before getting the screen filter out
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Why not get a caliper gauge and measure ? I think it`s a 21.
What is this? It is on the bottom of oil tank, but over to the left, looks like a large hex can fit inside
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According to the rules of gravity the oil drain screw would be at or near the lowest point of the engine ... :truck: Bingo, you found it.

If I was to go change the oil, would it be ok to drive the bike to the Autozone and change there, or should I walk there and bring the parts back. (1.2 miles away, about 3-4 minutes driving with all the lights.)
This comment disappoints us all. After you changed the clutch slave cylinder and bled the clutch you should be able to change the oil which is one of the most simple things to do but then ...
When I change the oil, should it be in riding position (just held up in the same position as if I was riding) or center stand?
get someone to hold the bike upright
When I add more oil, I put it to the middle of the two lines, and then how long should I keep it on before adding more to see if it goes down at all?
Right, fill it up to the middle of the two lines when the lower line says MAX :banghead:
First of all, oil the rubber seal of the oil filter when you change it and tighten it by hand. As you don`t have a proper feeling for torque and the oil screen or the oil drain plug are steel in an alloy housing don`t use a ratchet to tighten them. Use an allen key or ring spanner.
Don`t fill up over the MAX line and pour in the oil slowely and in intervals. Wait for the oil level to lower and then carry on. Do not exceed the bottom line. One thing you can do prior to that is to fill some fresh oil in the new oil filter before you mount it. Same procedure, fill in some oil wait til it lowers and add some more. No need to top it up !
Do check the oil level again before the next ride. Be sure it`s up to the MAX line but not over. (I said before it should be between min and max but that is for the 750. The 907ie is different as the lower line is max.)
p.s. Some of the pictures are sideways, the one where I think you drain oil with the screw also is completely upside down...
if you have your pics on Photobucket just click on one picture, then put the mouse on it and you`ll see a drop down menu including "rotate"

This is one way to spend a sunday morning ...